How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[jonnyb]

Mrr T said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

I honestly think it's too late for that now.

It will likely take more than two years I feel but if we don't end up controlling boarders, laws and trade agreement there will be significant civil unrest.

Considering the age demographic of team leave I think that's unlikely.

However, the picture of pensioners with Zimmer frames and walking sticks charging police lines, slowly!

Throwing petrol bombs made from collostim bag!

Does amuse me!

This!

Civil unrest with your walking stick and Zimmer frame!

[W124]

crankedup said:

W124 said:

The electorate don't give a st. Nobody cares about Farage. Nobody is going to rise up. Nothing will happen.

With respect, you are ignoring the political developments of the last month.

It will be fudged and fudged until it is abandoned.

Seems to me that you have little faith in the British way, resolute, determined. We will not accept being pushed around by a group of international naysayers. The Country needs to unite and get behind our Government now, that will assist in us achieving the best deal. Pity the Country is divided at the moment due to a democratic referendum that was always going to be a close run thing.

Whilst I respect your opinion, we differ greatly, I fear, on what constitutes the 'British way' - but can disagree politely on the issue. That, to me, is what this country is about.

I can't help but think we we should have waited for another country to leave. It was bound to happen sooner or later. We then could have used the fallout to lever the deal Cameron so spectacularly failed to secure. I can't help thinking cooler heads should have prevailed. The EU is a mess for sure, but we could have let somebody else take the hit.

[Digga]

B'stard Child said:

W124 said:

crankedup said:

W124 said:

The electorate don't give a st. Nobody cares about Farage. Nobody is going to rise up. Nothing will happen.

With respect, you are ignoring the political developments of the last month.

It will be fudged and fudged until it is abandoned.

Seems to me that you have little faith in the British way, resolute, determined. We will not accept being pushed around by a group of international naysayers. The Country needs to unite and get behind our Government now, that will assist in us achieving the best deal. Pity the Country is divided at the moment due to a democratic referendum that was always going to be a close run thing.

Whilst I respect your opinion, we differ greatly, I fear, on what constitutes the 'British way' - but can disagree politely on the issue. That, to me, is what this country is about.

I can't help but think we we should have waited for another country to leave. It was bound to happen sooner or later. We then could have used the fallout to lever the deal Cameron so spectacularly failed to secure. I can't help thinking cooler heads should have prevailed. The EU is a mess for sure, but we could have let somebody else take the hit.

What other country is not entrapped by the EURO or receiving a net benefit from the EU that would make it likely to leave?

I can see your point it was always going to be a clusterfk in some respects but the UK can survive outside of the EU - even PF-DC said it before he nailed his colours to the Remain campaign

And this is precisely why the EU/ECB/IMF have left Greece between a rock and a hard place; because to allow them to leave would have set a precedent which directly opposed their own aims of empire and dominion.

[anonymous-user]

How they restructure the Euro without blowing up the EU is the problem they face.

People seem to think the EU is some static entity, its going to have to change enormously if it is going to survive.

One of the problems for the UK in the EU is we use a different currency, what is going to happen now is EU policy will drift ever more towards supporting the Euro, which is not going to put the interests of the UK at the front, quite the opposite. That was already happening before the referendum with Euro only country meetings and decisions.

I will be very surprised if the EU has the political will to do what is required to support a properly functioning Euro, the peoples of Europe wont stand for it, so its far more likely to fall apart than to survive, which is going to eventually end the Euro in an incredibly damaging way.

[Jockman]

B'stard Child said:

W124 said:

crankedup said:

W124 said:

The electorate don't give a st. Nobody cares about Farage. Nobody is going to rise up. Nothing will happen.

With respect, you are ignoring the political developments of the last month.

It will be fudged and fudged until it is abandoned.

Seems to me that you have little faith in the British way, resolute, determined. We will not accept being pushed around by a group of international naysayers. The Country needs to unite and get behind our Government now, that will assist in us achieving the best deal. Pity the Country is divided at the moment due to a democratic referendum that was always going to be a close run thing.

Whilst I respect your opinion, we differ greatly, I fear, on what constitutes the 'British way' - but can disagree politely on the issue. That, to me, is what this country is about.

I can't help but think we we should have waited for another country to leave. It was bound to happen sooner or later. We then could have used the fallout to lever the deal Cameron so spectacularly failed to secure. I can't help thinking cooler heads should have prevailed. The EU is a mess for sure, but we could have let somebody else take the hit.

What other country is not entrapped by the EURO or receiving a net benefit from the EU that would make it likely to leave?

I can see your point it was always going to be a clusterfk in some respects but the UK can survive outside of the EU - even PF-DC said it before he nailed his colours to the Remain campaign

Not sure about leaving but wasn't Ireland asked to think again after a non conforming vote ???

[anonymous-user]

Getting back to the subject of the thread.

They need to gag Junker, his alcoholism should have barred him from office years ago. He is a major problem if we wish to see constructive discussion.

[Robertj21a]

jsf said:

Getting back to the subject of the thread.

They need to gag Junker, his alcoholism should have barred him from office years ago. He is a major problem if we wish to see constructive discussion.

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[hornetrider]

Anyone else fked off that this negotiation is happening in the press, not behind closed doors?

As far as I can tell the only bone of contention over citizens rights is that the EU want the ECJ to have jurisdiction over their nationals here. Not sure why they think that should be the case, we'll be independent from them and their rights will be enshrined in our laws.

[PurpleMoonlight]

hornetrider said:

Anyone else fked off that this negotiation is happening in the press, not behind closed doors?

As far as I can tell the only bone of contention over citizens rights is that the EU want the ECJ to have jurisdiction over their nationals here. Not sure why they think that should be the case, we'll be independent from them and their rights will be enshrined in our laws.

I like that we are being kept appraised actually but I doubt that will continue for the whole negotiations.

I agree with you on the ECJ. If a German goes and works in Canada for example does Canada have to bow to the ECJ for them?

[alfie2244]

Do we really need day by day updates or is this to placate the press' need for news? Mind you they will probably make stuff up everyday anyway I suppose.

[Cobnapint]

hornetrider said:

Anyone else fked off that this negotiation is happening in the press, not behind closed doors?

As far as I can tell the only bone of contention over citizens rights is that the EU want the ECJ to have jurisdiction over their nationals here. Not sure why they think that should be the case, we'll be independent from them and their rights will be enshrined in our laws.

Totally.

There was supposed to be no running commentary from both sides, but they can't resist it can they. May should never have made that statement last night - it should have been saved for the meeting room.

fk me, this is supposed to be the easy bit and it looks like it's going wrong already.

It's gonna be a long two years if every item on the agenda is going to get its own press conference.

[crankedup]

jonnyb said:

Mrr T said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

I honestly think it's too late for that now.

It will likely take more than two years I feel but if we don't end up controlling boarders, laws and trade agreement there will be significant civil unrest.

Considering the age demographic of team leave I think that's unlikely.

However, the picture of pensioners with Zimmer frames and walking sticks charging police lines, slowly!

Throwing petrol bombs made from collostim bag!

Does amuse me!

This!

Civil unrest with your walking stick and Zimmer frame!

But us oldies are a little more sophisticated, we withdraw our vote from the Tory Party and allow dimwittery into Governance. Had a foretaste in the last GE and look at what happened.
Not so much rumble in the jungle as passing wind in public

[Carl_Manchester]

One thing remains clear, Juncker is a total liability for both sides.

[Cobnapint]

Carl_Manchester said:

One thing remains clear, Juncker is a total liability for both sides.

Right old blabbermouth.

[jonnyb]

Cobnapint said:

Carl_Manchester said:

One thing remains clear, Juncker is a total liability for both sides.

Right old blabbermouth.

I'm a little confused, what is it that he's supposed to have said?
The only thing I can find is the he said "no" when asked if he knew what May wanted from Brexit, is this what everyone has a bee in their bonnet about?

Edited by jonnyb on Friday 23 June 19:21

[GroundEffect]

crankedup said:

But us oldies are a little more sophisticated, we withdraw our vote from the Tory Party and allow dimwittery into Governance. Had a foretaste in the last GE and look at what happened.
Not so much rumble in the jungle as passing wind in public

What do you mean allow?

[Yipper]

Brexit negotiations are obviously going to drag on well into the 2020s. They always drag on with the bureaucratic EU. And the UK is already a year behind the original schedule to trigger A50. There is a long and boring journey ahead.

But things will turn out okay. The dire warnings spouted to Greenland, Norway and UK (up to the present day) over the past 35 years about not being an EU worshipper have proven wholly inaccurate. People will continue to trade and travel, life will carry on and the world will keep spinning.

[Cobnapint]

jonnyb said:

I'm a little confused, what is it that he's supposed to have said?
The only thing I can find is the he said "no" when asked if he knew what May wanted from Brexit, is this what everyone has a bee in their bonnet about?

He spouted some crap to the German press when he got back from his recent meeting in London with TM.

He's straight away not happy with TM's EU citizen offer and said so to the press.

But mostly, he's well known for having a dim view of the UK.

[Smollet]

Cobnapint said:

But mostly, he's well known for having a dim view of the UK.

The feeling is mutual

[///ajd]

alfie2244 said:

W124 said:

The electorate don't give a st. Nobody cares about Farage. Nobody is going to rise up. Nothing will happen.

With respect, you are ignoring the political developments of the last month.

It will be fudged and fudged until it is abandoned.

We shall see about that.

Are you personally going to rise up Alfie?

What form will this unrest take? Cards with "polish vermin" on, or give a foreigner a kicking? Or perhaps a peaceful protest march on westminster?

What are we talking?

Or is it "others" you know who will protest? What will they do? Will you report them to the police before they are violent, or egg them on?