How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[Eddie Strohacker]

amusingduck said:

Are you seriously going to try and maintain your current position after discovering that 76% of the UK's fresh produce industry use chlorine floor cleaner on your salad that you've been eating for years

Yes. HTH.

[amusingduck]

Eddie Strohacker said:

amusingduck said:

Are you seriously going to try and maintain your current position after discovering that 76% of the UK's fresh produce industry use chlorine floor cleaner on your salad that you've been eating for years

Yes. HTH.

I could put you in contact with some likeminded people?

[NJH]

Chlorinated chicken is a sideshow compared to where the real bones of contention will be, just look at what came out from TTIP as it is highly likely that any trade deal with the US will attempt to dust off similar provisions.

[loafer123]

Agriculture is always the most contentious bit.

We should join NAFTA, and like the other members, agree bi-lateral deals on agriculture in due course.

[Eddie Strohacker]

loafer123 said:

Agriculture is always the most contentious bit.

We should join NAFTA, and like the other members, agree bi-lateral deals on agriculture in due course.

Along with those lolling at Chlorine, you're missing the point that joining one or the other body to do one or the other deal damages the prospects of a deal with the biggest export market we have. Clue: It's not about the chicken, it's about what the chicken represents.

Nurse, bring me another.

[anonymous-user]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Along with those lolling at Chlorine, you're missing the point that joining one or the other body to do one or the other deal damages the prospects of a deal with the biggest export market we have. Clue: It's not about the chicken, it's about what the chicken represents.

Nurse, bring me another.

You do realise your habit of adding a comment line at the end of your comment substance makes you look like a dick?

On your first comment, what does the chicken represent? and to who? and why does it damage our prospects of doing a deal with a 3rd party?

[Eddie Strohacker]

jsf said:

You do realise your habit of adding a comment line at the end of your comment substance makes you look like a dick?

On your first comment, what does the chicken represent? and to who? and why does it damage our prospects of doing a deal with a 3rd party?

Coming from an expert, I'll take it on board.

[skahigh]

jsf said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Along with those lolling at Chlorine, you're missing the point that joining one or the other body to do one or the other deal damages the prospects of a deal with the biggest export market we have. Clue: It's not about the chicken, it's about what the chicken represents.

Nurse, bring me another.

You do realise your habit of adding a comment line at the end of your comment substance makes you look like a dick?

On your first comment, what does the chicken represent? and to who? and why does it damage our prospects of doing a deal with a 3rd party?

I think Eddie is suggesting that our regulatory standards would drop to be in line with US standards and thus wouldn't conform to EU standards for exporting.

I can't see why this is a problem, we can surely choose to have different standards for imported products than home produced products? Or our exporters can continue to produce in line with EU standards and continue exporting?

[anonymous-user]

skahigh said:

jsf said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Along with those lolling at Chlorine, you're missing the point that joining one or the other body to do one or the other deal damages the prospects of a deal with the biggest export market we have. Clue: It's not about the chicken, it's about what the chicken represents.

Nurse, bring me another.

You do realise your habit of adding a comment line at the end of your comment substance makes you look like a dick?

On your first comment, what does the chicken represent? and to who? and why does it damage our prospects of doing a deal with a 3rd party?

I think Eddie is suggesting that our regulatory standards would drop to be in line with US standards and thus wouldn't conform to EU standards for exporting.

I can't see why this is a problem, we can surely choose to have different standards for imported products than home produced products? Or our exporters can continue to produce in line with EU standards and continue exporting?

If that is his concern, its not very bright. We already export all over the world to various standards required by the importer nation.

Maybe he means something else.

[///ajd]

Ghibli said:

Deptford Draylons said:

It's a small part of a trade deal, the same part of a trade deal it would be if we were letting the EU handle the deal for 28 countries who would all try and pull the deal in different directions.
The faux chicken outrage from the normal PH dolts is laughable, morons determined just to moan about Brexit in any possible way. It's no wonder so many of you are piss the bed weak and defeatist, when you turn up here and try and discuss trade deals and have to pretend the chicken thing is some huge insurmountable deal and no good can come of it.

I don't think Gove agrees with you.

No, that's because he understands the wider implications, which are not too difficult for most to work out. Not sure those who throw around the moron word so freely actually understand what these implications are, which gives its use an appropriate irony.

So, e-Mini means WTO is OK - is that the take away lesson for critical thinking brexiteers? You'd think so reading some of the views above, it comes as no surprise. We live in dangerous "what I reckon" times.

Edited by ///ajd on Wednesday 26th July 18:42

[loafer123]

jsf said:

If that is his concern, its not very bright. We already export all over the world to various standards required by the importer nation.

Maybe he means something else.

Don't overestimate his intelligence.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

So, e-Mini means WTO is OK - is that the take away lesson for critical thinking brexiteers? You'd think so reading some of the views above, it comes as no surprise. We live in dangerous "what I reckon" times.

talking to yourself again slasher.

Just buy a mirror, it will save your fingers some work.

[andymadmak]

The issue surrounding the chicken is bizarre. The US and the EU have very similar standards of livestock care and handling in place. The processing plant standards are practically indistinguishable from each other. In some aspects the US regimes are tougher.
The primary difference is that the EU says that washing chicken encourages bad practice at the process plant and earlier ( because there is a goalkeeper in the form of the wash) whilst the USA says belt and braces ( standards AND wash)
Ironically the actual chemicals typically used in the process ( not always chlorine these days) are classified as safe by the EU.

Teacup meet mr storm,

[Robertj21a]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Along with those lolling at Chlorine, you're missing the point that joining one or the other body to do one or the other deal damages the prospects of a deal with the biggest export market we have. Clue: It's not about the chicken, it's about what the chicken represents.

Nurse, bring me another.

Why do you find it so difficult to just answer a query ? - is it really necessary to just keep raising further queries ?

There's something very odd about your continual need for others to respond to you.

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Ghibli said:

Deptford Draylons said:

It's a small part of a trade deal, the same part of a trade deal it would be if we were letting the EU handle the deal for 28 countries who would all try and pull the deal in different directions.
The faux chicken outrage from the normal PH dolts is laughable, morons determined just to moan about Brexit in any possible way. It's no wonder so many of you are piss the bed weak and defeatist, when you turn up here and try and discuss trade deals and have to pretend the chicken thing is some huge insurmountable deal and no good can come of it.

I don't think Gove agrees with you.

No, that's because he understands the wider implications, which are not too difficult for most to work out. Not sure those who throw around the moron word so freely actually understand what these implications are, which are an appropriate irony to it.

So, e-Mini means WTO is OK - is that the take away lesson for critical thinking brexiteers? You'd think so reading some of the views above, it comes as no surprise. We live in dangerous "what I reckon" times.

Gove is in favour of a trade deal with the US. If it's a big deal for anyone then you can protest it. But you aren't really interested in that, the chicken story is just another bit of your daily propaganda. You have zero interest in being fair and reasonable, it's what makes you such a clown on such threads.
If I thought you'd be so doom and gloom had it been a US -EU trade deal, I might take you a bit more seriously.

[Murph7355]

Eddie Strohacker said:

It isn't concentrating power in the hands of the man in the street, that's the entire point. It's a fact that USA food production standards are sloppier than our EU derived standards. After Brexit, those standards will stay on the statute book, at least for a few years while a mountain of legislation is worked through, that will slow negotiations with a steelier USA under Trump (America first!)

Bilateral negotiations nearly always favour the larger partner & in the case of America, that's by a factor of six, so if you choose to believe Liam Fox & who in their right mind would? then the position he's stated publicly that an EU deal will be the easiest trade deal in history then coming to a quick agreement with America implies not a trimming of red tape but a bonfire of regulations. That will hurt the consumer & every EU standard we ditch for America will make life harder making a deal with the EU, so not the easiest deal in history at all.

in 2016, 19% of our exports went to the US, 44% to the EU. There is no way the difference will be made up by a US trade deal, so if Tesco fills up with chlorinated chicken, it will be the very definition of a pyrrhic victory.

What drop in EU trade are you assuming there? How much of that 44% is chicken exports to the EU.

We also would not, necessarily, be ditching any std for export. Just (maybe) import.

[Eddie Strohacker]

andymadmak said:

The issue surrounding the chicken is bizarre. The US and the EU have very similar standards of livestock care and handling in place. ,

Simply not true.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Murph7355 said:

We also would not, necessarily, be ditching any std for export. Just (maybe) import.

It's agreed then, your previous point about letting the man in the street decide is not quite as you would characterise it. It'll be the man in Washington who decides what goes on supermarket shelves but remember, we're taking back control.

[Deptford Draylons]

Murph7355 said:

What drop in EU trade are you assuming there? How much of that 44% is chicken exports to the EU.

We also would not, necessarily, be ditching any std for export. Just (maybe) import.

I don't think he wants to answer.

[Robertj21a]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Simply not true.

Could you explain why you think that ?