How do we think EU negotiations will go?
Discussion
SantaBarbara said:
TTwiggy said:
Urbanite left-wingers will certainly most likely have voted remain. I would imagine that the traditional Labour voters from the left-wing heartlands may have been more likely to vote leave due to a belief that it would mean more/some/better jobs and less immigration.
Speculation generator totally out of control today is it?TTwiggy said:
SantaBarbara said:
TTwiggy said:
Urbanite left-wingers will certainly most likely have voted remain. I would imagine that the traditional Labour voters from the left-wing heartlands may have been more likely to vote leave due to a belief that it would mean more/some/better jobs and less immigration.
Speculation generator totally out of control today is it?What is an Urbane Eft winger please explain.
TTwiggy said:
Urbanite left-wingers will certainly most likely have voted remain. I would imagine that the traditional Labour voters from the left-wing heartlands may have been more likely to vote leave due to a belief that it would mean more/some/better jobs and less immigration.
As I understand it, Labour was traditionally anti EEC/EU as it was seen as Capitalist-enabling. Some Old Labour MPs (notably Dennis Skinner, and until his elevation to party leader, Jeremy Corbyn) still hold this view.Kinnock appeared to engineer a volte-face after Jacques Delors promised a Socialist paradise could be imposed over the heads of the Tories; the PLP and moderate Labour have been pro-EU ever since.
Question for anyone who knows these things - the Single Market in 'services' is described as 'incomplete'. Which 'services' are not covered (and which are), and is this why I can't get a mortgage from Deutsche Bank that has a whole-term fixed rate (as is apparently common over there)?
vonuber said:
Just curious, and apologies if this has already been answered, but what actualpynhapoens if we have no deal on anything?
So what about travelling to/from the eu? Imports/exports etc? People already working there / Here?
What is the actual consequence if nothing is agreed?
If we have no deal on anything then there world trade rules which relate largely to the trade in goods. So far not so bad. So what about travelling to/from the eu? Imports/exports etc? People already working there / Here?
What is the actual consequence if nothing is agreed?
As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
Which probably doesn't matter because without an agreement about a visa regime in place you won't be able to enter the country when you get there.
WTO doesn't say much about services so doesn't help us much with services export. Services are only about 80% of the UK economy so no biggie.
WTO says nothing at all about the ability to transfer personal data between countries. No deal on anything means no transfer across borders. UK data centres processing EU data have to move. UK tech industry suffers.
These just a few highlights. Hope that helps. There is no sensible scenario under which there can be no deal at all.
richie99 said:
If we have no deal on anything then there world trade rules which relate largely to the trade in goods. So far not so bad.
As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
Which probably doesn't matter because without an agreement about a visa regime in place you won't be able to enter the country when you get there.
WTO doesn't say much about services so doesn't help us much with services export. Services are only about 80% of the UK economy so no biggie.
WTO says nothing at all about the ability to transfer personal data between countries. No deal on anything means no transfer across borders. UK data centres processing EU data have to move. UK tech industry suffers.
These just a few highlights. Hope that helps. There is no sensible scenario under which there can be no deal at all.
It's a shame don4l isn't here.As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
Which probably doesn't matter because without an agreement about a visa regime in place you won't be able to enter the country when you get there.
WTO doesn't say much about services so doesn't help us much with services export. Services are only about 80% of the UK economy so no biggie.
WTO says nothing at all about the ability to transfer personal data between countries. No deal on anything means no transfer across borders. UK data centres processing EU data have to move. UK tech industry suffers.
These just a few highlights. Hope that helps. There is no sensible scenario under which there can be no deal at all.
He had all the answers.
desolate said:
richie99 said:
If we have no deal on anything then there world trade rules which relate largely to the trade in goods. So far not so bad.
As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
Which probably doesn't matter because without an agreement about a visa regime in place you won't be able to enter the country when you get there.
WTO doesn't say much about services so doesn't help us much with services export. Services are only about 80% of the UK economy so no biggie.
WTO says nothing at all about the ability to transfer personal data between countries. No deal on anything means no transfer across borders. UK data centres processing EU data have to move. UK tech industry suffers.
These just a few highlights. Hope that helps. There is no sensible scenario under which there can be no deal at all.
It's a shame don4l isn't here.As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
Which probably doesn't matter because without an agreement about a visa regime in place you won't be able to enter the country when you get there.
WTO doesn't say much about services so doesn't help us much with services export. Services are only about 80% of the UK economy so no biggie.
WTO says nothing at all about the ability to transfer personal data between countries. No deal on anything means no transfer across borders. UK data centres processing EU data have to move. UK tech industry suffers.
These just a few highlights. Hope that helps. There is no sensible scenario under which there can be no deal at all.
He had all the answers.
What's more, if a "no deal" were ever to happen in 2019, the Pound will adjust to compensate. In fact, this has already happened and brought the country a boom in exports in 2017.
Yipper said:
A "no deal" is extremely unlikely. The UK is Europe's 2nd biggest economy and 2nd biggest importer and 1st biggest finance provider and 1st biggest intelligence supplier and 1st strongest armed forces. The EU knows they cannot cast the UK aside, even if they want to. A "no deal" is just wishful thinking by bitter Remainers.
What's more, if a "no deal" were ever to happen in 2019, the Pound will adjust to compensate. In fact, this has already happened and brought the country a boom in exports in 2017.
What's more, if a "no deal" were ever to happen in 2019, the Pound will adjust to compensate. In fact, this has already happened and brought the country a boom in exports in 2017.
jsf said:
richie99 said:
As has hit the headlines recently, they say nothing about aircraft access to each others territories so you won't be able to fly to the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/18/wizz-air-thomas-cook-move-hedge-brexit-outcome-new-licences/If we leave with no deal at all, all flights into and out of the UK to EU desitnations or using EU airspace will be grounded. You will probably be able to get to the US, just.
hyphen said:
Austria just elected an anti immigration candidate... Germany has something like 14 seats in their parliament to that nazi lot in last months election.
People protest when they are not happy, 'you shouldn't equate people to willing martyrs such as yourself'....
AFD have 94 seats, they are the third largest party.People protest when they are not happy, 'you shouldn't equate people to willing martyrs such as yourself'....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/24/ange...
Zod said:
Goldman has been in Frankfurt for a very long time. They are expanding there, but haven't yet decided which parts of which businesses they will transfer from London.
They are building a giant new London HQ next to the existing buildings. They will almost certainly move in, but bring Goldman they have financed it themselves and are sitting on a large book value profit, so some bankers have proposed letting the building or selling it and staying put in their existing offices, particularly in light of the lack of growth in personnel as a result of Brexit. (The City is not hiring at the moment)
Goldman has lost a lot of its influence in finance since the 2007 crash and its sleazy involvement. Blankfein, nowadays, appears less and less in the top-10 rankings for influential financiers. In his latest tweet, it looks like he's just angling for some more government freebies from the UK or Germany and he's starting to look a bit hyperbolic and over-emotional.They are building a giant new London HQ next to the existing buildings. They will almost certainly move in, but bring Goldman they have financed it themselves and are sitting on a large book value profit, so some bankers have proposed letting the building or selling it and staying put in their existing offices, particularly in light of the lack of growth in personnel as a result of Brexit. (The City is not hiring at the moment)
London just this week attracted TMF (financial services) to shift 1-2k staff from Amsterdam to London, the LSE was recently confirmed as by far the biggest stock exchange for new IPOs in EMEA, the LSE is well on track to become the world's biggest stock exchange next year (overtaking Nasdaq), Aramco Saudi is about to part-float its $2 trillion company (by far the biggest in the world) in London, and London forex market share is this year bigger than all the rest of the EU and NY combined. A few years ago, everyone was going to move hedgefunds to Geneva -- they soon realised the lack of scale, law and buzz... and London got even stronger.
In conclusion -- Goldman is highly unlikely to move anything but a token gesture office to Frankfurt.
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