How do we think EU negotiations will go?

How do we think EU negotiations will go?

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anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
In my callow youth, I was into paragliding & once landed on Monaco beach. They've since banned people from doing so, the point of all this blah being that flying over the place was both over & done with quickly, coupled with the afternoon wandering around the place fed into the view that living there would be a miserable existence no matter how much Chinese tea one might have squirrelled away.
I'd be pretty surprised if anyone who claims to be resident there actually lives there full time and doesn't have a full portfolio of other properties.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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desolate said:
I'd be pretty surprised if anyone who claims to be resident there actually lives there full time and doesn't have a full portfolio of other properties.
I know a few people who live there permanently, I also know some who have moved to London from Monaco, despite the loss of tax exemption. Some people do love the place and the lifestyle. Quite a lot of the more wealthy residents do have multiple homes around the world, but I would expect the vast majority who live there don't.

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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king arthur said:
Is that because they won't let you in?
No idea. Couldnt care less.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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jsf said:
I know a few people who live there permanently, I also know some who have moved to London from Monaco, despite the loss of tax exemption. Some people do love the place and the lifestyle. Quite a lot of the more wealthy residents do have multiple homes around the world, but I would expect the vast majority who live there don't.
Fair enough. The few that I know have a flat there but spent most of their time elsewhere.


mx5nut

5,404 posts

82 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
Oh no, it's fingers in ears, head in the sand time again

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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mx5nut said:
Having highly qualified immigrants doesn’t automatically mean that productivity is improved.

It seems like (once again) you are commenting on things well beyond your area of expertise!

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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mx5nut said:
sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
Oh no, it's fingers in ears, head in the sand time again
Dont use facts with Sidicks. He does not trade in that currency.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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ORD said:
Dont use facts with Sidicks. He does not trade in that currency.
That’s priceless given many of the claims that you’ve come up with recently!

Please explain why having skilled immigrants automatically leads to increased productivity...

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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sidicks said:
That’s priceless given many of the claims that you’ve come up with recently!

Please explain why having skilled immigrants automatically leads to increased productivity...
I am not going to waste time engaging with you other than to take the piss. You dont engage seriously with any point that anyone makes. You just snipe and look for internet points.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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ORD said:
I am not going to waste time engaging with you other than to take the piss. You dont engage seriously with any point that anyone makes. You just snipe and look for internet points.
Says the person who replied to me purely to be sarcastic and who refuses (or more likely is unable) to justify the claims being made.

mx5nut

5,404 posts

82 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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ORD said:
mx5nut said:
sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
Oh no, it's fingers in ears, head in the sand time again
Dont use facts with Sidicks. He does not trade in that currency.
Must be that lefty biased anti Brexit Telegraph making things up laugh

Mrr T

12,242 posts

265 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
What do you regard as nonsense?

That EU immigrants are better educated than the Uk average?

JagLover

42,428 posts

235 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Mrr T said:
JagLover said:
ORD said:
Oooooh correlation does not show causation. Really iffy reasoning.

2000- has seen relatively little growth because (1) the financial world basically collapsed halfway through it and (2) the West has largely had its day and wealth is inevitably to be shared out more evenly across countries.
I was responding to a post that claimed the years since 2000 have been great, and they haven't.

As to the causes of that in a UK context that is another matter. Poor productivity growth in particular has been partly attributed to the mass migration of low skilled workers.
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
What evidence?

Immigrants from the EU14 are more educated than the average and more likely to be in professional occupations. Those from the EU8 and now Bulgaria and Romania as well are far more likely to be in low skilled employment.

I suspect that without EU expansion FOM would never have become an issue.


sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Mrr T said:
sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
What do you regard as nonsense?

That EU immigrants are better educated than the Uk average?
Please explain how the first claim (which I’ve not disputed) leads to the second claim.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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mx5nut said:
Must be that lefty biased anti Brexit Telegraph making things up laugh
Still waiting for your explanation as to how this automatically leads to improved productivity.

Aren’t electricians experts on this sort of thing?

mx5nut

5,404 posts

82 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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sidicks said:
Aren’t electricians experts on this sort of thing?
Your profile doesn't mention an occupation, but I'm assuming groundsman based on your experience moving the goalposts biggrin

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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mx5nut said:
Your profile doesn't mention an occupation, but I'm assuming groundsman based on your experience moving the goalposts biggrin
I’ve moved no goalposts. You just jumped in, trying to be clever, and failed miserably, because you failed to understand the issue I was querying. Never mind.

I guess you now agree that the claim about automatically increased productivity was nonsense?

Robertj21a

16,477 posts

105 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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JagLover said:
I suspect that without EU expansion FOM would never have become an issue.
Agreed, a point often overlooked.

Mrr T

12,242 posts

265 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
sidicks said:
Mrr T said:
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.
Nonsense.
What do you regard as nonsense?

That EU immigrants are better educated than the Uk average?
Please explain how the first claim (which I’ve not disputed) leads to the second claim.
Best ask JagLover.

Mrr T said:
JagLover said:
ORD said:
Oooooh correlation does not show causation. Really iffy reasoning.

2000- has seen relatively little growth because (1) the financial world basically collapsed halfway through it and (2) the West has largely had its day and wealth is inevitably to be shared out more evenly across countries.
I was responding to a post that claimed the years since 2000 have been great, and they haven't.

As to the causes of that in a UK context that is another matter. Poor productivity growth in particular has been partly attributed to the mass migration of low skilled workers.
Since there is clear evidence EU immigrants are better educated than the UK average. That means they will have improved productivity.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Mrr T said:
Best ask JagLover.
His post suggests no such thing. So in that case, you can’t justify the claim?
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