How do we think EU negotiations will go?
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Burwood said:
jjlynn27 said:
Burwood said:
Hey Tin guy, I get it. You're right and i'm wrong. I will take a guess. Is your ickle business not going to be as good after Brexit?
Bwahaha, what a tool. Telling someone about their 'ickle business' tells a lot more about you then about them.
jjlynn27 said:
Burwood said:
Hey Tin guy, I get it. You're right and i'm wrong. I will take a guess. Is your ickle business not going to be as good after Brexit?
Bwahaha, what a tool. 
PurpleMoonlight said:
You can't think of one thing that benefits the UK by being in the EU?
Tariff free trade is in principle, a good thing."Frictionless" customs sits in a similar category but I can see bigger downsides to this.
I struggle with a massive amount more. And none of it is worth the downsides.
But then I voted Leave...so that's to be expected.
Idealistically I can appreciate some of the federalist dreams of the EU. But only in the same way I think it would be good if Father Christmas existed. As soon as you factor in the real world and human nature, it all gets torpedoed.
jjlynn27 said:
Burwood said:
jjlynn27 said:
Burwood said:
Hey Tin guy, I get it. You're right and i'm wrong. I will take a guess. Is your ickle business not going to be as good after Brexit?
Bwahaha, what a tool. Telling someone about their 'ickle business' tells a lot more about you then about them.
k off 
Murph7355 said:
Define "worth"? I guess it will come down to potential market size, but how do we measure that we'll enough?
On GDP (relative wealth) 34 of the top 50 countries are non-EU. So 2/3s.
On population, EU countries don't enter until no 15.
It needs more sophistication than that, but I would say "enough" of those 195 are worth dealing with.
That 56%+ and growing of our trade is non-EU could be argued to support that.
Note also that worthiness to trade is not really a good barometer on political constructs like FoM. Indeed the more disparate the other 168 countries are, the more it suggests that the EU's path on that front is... An outlier!
Worth as in worth investing time doing a trade deal. I like to be pragmatic about things. Are the all new beautiful, best deals ever, negotiated by people who have no experience in negotiating trade deals at all, going to be so much better than what we already have, to offset any negatives induced by tensions with our biggest trading partner. On GDP (relative wealth) 34 of the top 50 countries are non-EU. So 2/3s.
On population, EU countries don't enter until no 15.
It needs more sophistication than that, but I would say "enough" of those 195 are worth dealing with.
That 56%+ and growing of our trade is non-EU could be argued to support that.
Note also that worthiness to trade is not really a good barometer on political constructs like FoM. Indeed the more disparate the other 168 countries are, the more it suggests that the EU's path on that front is... An outlier!
Based on the abysmal trip by May and Co to India, to look for new opportunities,
I really doubt it. If I'm wrong, all the better.
As for FoML, it's been covered many times before. I do believe that govt already have enough powers to deal with immigration issues.
Burwood said:
Yep, you're the biggest jackass on this thread. It's all there in black and white. You lose all cred when you have to go straight for the ad hom attacks to try and get your argument across. if you have to abuse someone, as you did over a couple of posts, it is you who is the asshole. Now fk off
So simple. So cute. k off jjlynn27 said:
Worth as in worth investing time doing a trade deal. I like to be pragmatic about things. Are the all new beautiful, best deals ever, negotiated by people who have no experience in negotiating trade deals at all, going to be so much better than what we already have, to offset any negatives induced by tensions with our biggest trading partner.
You realise we don't have any trade deals at all at the moment? Our masters in Brussels forbid it. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
If your only choice is how you die, it matters. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
Lobby for, (i.e. no direct electoral control over) 1 of 28 "members" to take Europe-wide decisions with no oversight by the electorate. No thanks, next.Burwood said:
At least we get a vote on who governs us and can chuck them out if we don't like it. See the difference. You're a bit late to the thread Tin. You have every right to express your opinion. Your tone is clear. Idiots, insane.... all you've done is add sound bites. We get that you'd stay because they'll fk us over. That's a good reason to leave
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king powerful 
and I'm a director so I'm guilty as charged. 
Burwood said:
Yep, you're the biggest jackass on this thread. It's all there in black and white. You lose all cred when you have to go straight for the ad hom attacks to try and get your argument across. if you have to abuse someone, as you did over a couple of posts, it is you who is the asshole. Now fk off
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Depends on what a 'hard brexit' is. Assuming you think leaving the single market and customs union is a hard brexit then its up to the negotiators to include 'adequacy provision' in the deal. Both parties will not want the disruption. Tin, you will struggle to convince many here with your logical analysis and facts.
They won't work. Yet.
And your request for the "real" reasons to be revealed are only likely to inflame. There is rarely a direct admission, though it comes across often enough in other threads. There have been some classics from some, but not all.
It is also true that calling people stupid for x, y, z is not going to convince anyone to change their point of view if they feel you are referring to them. Whether you have a valid point or not (and lets recall that "well the bankers can become fisherman so its all good" classic) will be lost due to the offence caused.
Anyway, what struck me above was some of the desperation for a hard walk away brexit. Actually the mood has already changed to a point where that would be rejected by the country as the impacts became clearer and more painful. A hard brexit is actually now the last thing brexiteers should want if they really want to leave, as the prospect of a hard brexit no deal will almost certainly lead to widespread rejection of that as an outcome.
Davis getting a good deal - and it is increasingly clear that is what he is desperate desperate desperate for - is the only chance for brexit now. And as the EU starts to unveil what that "good" deal looks like (i.e. patently worse than the one we have now) - the wheels may well start to come off.
I'm sure the insults and "you're in denial", and cries of "we're leaving slasher" will come thick and fast. Thing is I predicted a soft brexit fudge a year ago and was told how wrong I was. Hmmm. I still predict a "oh that deal is crap" moment and a slow turnaround in overall public opinion. The 4m hardcore kippers will not be able to keep the wheels on "the brexit will of the people" argument when that happens.
They won't work. Yet.
And your request for the "real" reasons to be revealed are only likely to inflame. There is rarely a direct admission, though it comes across often enough in other threads. There have been some classics from some, but not all.
It is also true that calling people stupid for x, y, z is not going to convince anyone to change their point of view if they feel you are referring to them. Whether you have a valid point or not (and lets recall that "well the bankers can become fisherman so its all good" classic) will be lost due to the offence caused.
Anyway, what struck me above was some of the desperation for a hard walk away brexit. Actually the mood has already changed to a point where that would be rejected by the country as the impacts became clearer and more painful. A hard brexit is actually now the last thing brexiteers should want if they really want to leave, as the prospect of a hard brexit no deal will almost certainly lead to widespread rejection of that as an outcome.
Davis getting a good deal - and it is increasingly clear that is what he is desperate desperate desperate for - is the only chance for brexit now. And as the EU starts to unveil what that "good" deal looks like (i.e. patently worse than the one we have now) - the wheels may well start to come off.
I'm sure the insults and "you're in denial", and cries of "we're leaving slasher" will come thick and fast. Thing is I predicted a soft brexit fudge a year ago and was told how wrong I was. Hmmm. I still predict a "oh that deal is crap" moment and a slow turnaround in overall public opinion. The 4m hardcore kippers will not be able to keep the wheels on "the brexit will of the people" argument when that happens.
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You can't just treat it like all business will stop because there is no piece of paper to say they can continue. Global players constantly have to deal with shifts in legislation at the moment as various territories bring in new regulation - and you know what? Business carries on - in some cases by working around laws or even deliberately ignoring them, and in some cases by just doing the relevant deal or implementing a contingency strategy. Given that we already have a working legal relationship with the EU, that contingency strategy is already in place - carry on as normal until someone makes a proper decision. I'll bet cold hard cash that no-one in the EU is going to walk up to one of their precarious national banks and tell it it cannot trade with London because the right bit of paper hasn't been signed.It's hard not to be reminded of the Millenium Bug Crisis - where experts assured us the world was going to come to an end when systems stopped working overnight. Businesses would be destroyed, nothing could continue. A colleague had to sign a piece of paper saying he would cycle the 80 miles to the data centre in the event that civil unrest made the roads un-drivable.
Fear.
Uncertainty.
Doubt.
FUD. Great big piles of FUD.
Dr Jekyll said:
jjlynn27 said:
Worth as in worth investing time doing a trade deal. I like to be pragmatic about things. Are the all new beautiful, best deals ever, negotiated by people who have no experience in negotiating trade deals at all, going to be so much better than what we already have, to offset any negatives induced by tensions with our biggest trading partner.
You realise we don't have any trade deals at all at the moment? Our masters in Brussels forbid it. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff