Tesla Master Plan part deux
Discussion
otolith said:
In a luxury car in which perfection is silence? Yes. In a supercar, no.
But that's not the choice. Increasingly the choice will be between electric or four pot diesel.
Diesel will die a fairly quick death IMO, as the health issues become more apparent. It's more likely that the choice will be electric or plug in series hybrid turbo petrol. But that's not the choice. Increasingly the choice will be between electric or four pot diesel.
fblm said:
mybrainhurts said:
Imagine the queues...
I'm not sure I understand. Knocking a flat battery out and a charged one in would take seconds. Of course that won't help once the chavs get them and get out to do their weekly shop in the mini mart 
Beati Dogu said:
It's already possible to rapidly swap the battery on a Tesla:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY
I saw that. Seems like a needlessly complex system to me. Probably because it wasn't designed from the outset for it. If standardised batteries and replacement became the norm it could be done far more efficiently.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY
RobDickinson said:
It's pointless anyhow.
We currently have 30min recharging, won't be long until that's down to 15min etc. Swapping packs isn't really necessary
They are not as robust as fuel nossels so imagine all those HGVs needing lots of 15 min charges back to back. As more and more use it then the base load on the grid increases just where is this extra capacity coming from. We currently have 30min recharging, won't be long until that's down to 15min etc. Swapping packs isn't really necessary
Welshbeef said:
They are not as robust as fuel nossels so imagine all those HGVs needing lots of 15 min charges back to back. As more and more use it then the base load on the grid increases just where is this extra capacity coming from.
So long as it's windy........(fonzy) "Heeeyyyyyyyyy!"Welshbeef said:
They are not as robust as fuel nossels so imagine all those HGVs needing lots of 15 min charges back to back. As more and more use it then the base load on the grid increases just where is this extra capacity coming from.
Is there a parrot in here? The extra load is overnight and nowhere near peak daytime load, total non issue
RobDickinson said:
Welshbeef said:
They are not as robust as fuel nossels so imagine all those HGVs needing lots of 15 min charges back to back. As more and more use it then the base load on the grid increases just where is this extra capacity coming from.
Is there a parrot in here? The extra load is overnight and nowhere near peak daytime load, total non issue
People need to charge all the time just like ICE drivers do. If all cars overnight became EVs do you suddenly think there would be deserted fuel stations (equipped with chargers) all day long?
HGVs run 24/7
Buses run - round here 6am -11pm all day long.
RobDickinson said:
Welshbeef said:
They are not as robust as fuel nossels so imagine all those HGVs needing lots of 15 min charges back to back. As more and more use it then the base load on the grid increases just where is this extra capacity coming from.
Is there a parrot in here? The extra load is overnight and nowhere near peak daytime load, total non issue
98elise said:
Standardised batteries will not work. You would need a battery that suits a supercar capacity, performance, cooling needs and also works in a short range shopping car.
Only the exterior dimensions and attachment points need be standardised. Doesn't have to be a single pack either.Welshbeef said:
davepoth said:
Diesel will die a fairly quick death IMO, as the health issues become more apparent. It's more likely that the choice will be electric or plug in series hybrid turbo petrol.
I really doubt it all those HGVs and buses will not work with EVTrucks are standard sized.
Trucks routes can be planned in advance.
Trucks not cars will have replaceable batteries. The batteries capable of powering a truck for 200 miles already exist.
Buses will be wiped out on most routes by autonomous cars. Those which aren't follow set routes and can be fast charged during the day while they are stationary.
Talksteer said:
Welshbeef said:
davepoth said:
Diesel will die a fairly quick death IMO, as the health issues become more apparent. It's more likely that the choice will be electric or plug in series hybrid turbo petrol.
I really doubt it all those HGVs and buses will not work with EVTrucks are standard sized.
Trucks routes can be planned in advance.
Trucks not cars will have replaceable batteries. The batteries capable of powering a truck for 200 miles already exist.
Buses will be wiped out on most routes by autonomous cars. Those which aren't follow set routes and can be fast charged during the day while they are stationary.
s2art said:
Which brings us back to generation capacity. Really need a solution which enables the energy to be provided overnight when there is plenty of spare capacity (if not nearly enough for a country full of Evs)
If trucks are swapping batteries ( possibly a workable plan), then those batteries can be recharged overnight anyhow. The grid has plenty of off peak capacity.
Talksteer said:
Trucks cannot go more than 220 miles without the driver stopping.
Trucks are standard sized.
Trucks routes can be planned in advance.
Trucks not cars will have replaceable batteries. The batteries capable of powering a truck for 200 miles already exist.
Buses will be wiped out on most routes by autonomous cars. Those which aren't follow set routes and can be fast charged during the day while they are stationary.
And how long does a trucks batteries take to recharge for another 220miles?Trucks are standard sized.
Trucks routes can be planned in advance.
Trucks not cars will have replaceable batteries. The batteries capable of powering a truck for 200 miles already exist.
Buses will be wiped out on most routes by autonomous cars. Those which aren't follow set routes and can be fast charged during the day while they are stationary.
RobDickinson said:
s2art said:
Which brings us back to generation capacity. Really need a solution which enables the energy to be provided overnight when there is plenty of spare capacity (if not nearly enough for a country full of Evs)
If trucks are swapping batteries ( possibly a workable plan), then those batteries can be recharged overnight anyhow. The grid has plenty of off peak capacity.
mybrainhurts said:
When people start saying someone has lost the argument because of X, it generally means they have no answer to the question.
Do you really prefer the silence of an electric motor to a screaming V12? How very strange.
I wasn't responding to a question, I was commenting on the statement you made about 'soul'.Do you really prefer the silence of an electric motor to a screaming V12? How very strange.
s2art said:
Not anymore it doesnt. A few years ago, maybe.
52.54 gigawatts peak demand last winter (2015) https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Typical off peak in winter is ~38 gigawatts, summer 28 gigawatts.
Calculated earlier in the thread UK would need ~12 gigawatts per night to power all of its road use at the moment. Looks to me like there is certainly ample grid and generator power.
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