US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
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Another protest in Charlotte recently. Oddly, this large march wasn't featured on the news. https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=15...
lawless50 said:
Mike_Mac said:
I've encountered the Police in the US before, and had a gun pulled on me.
Believe me, you obey every single instruction slowly and accurately - especially those such as 'put your hands up'!
How would that help black people who get shot anyway?Believe me, you obey every single instruction slowly and accurately - especially those such as 'put your hands up'!
Every time the police shoot someone who is complying, who is lying down with their hands up, who is an unarmed kid with a bag of groceries, they make the next encounter more dangerous than it needs to be. You know what runs through innocent black peoples subconscious when they get pulled over or stopped by the police? This could be it, this could be the day I die.
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Yes, I know Police=Racist isn't fair. Just the same as Muslim=Terrorist and Black=Criminal isn't fair.
The circumstances in this particular case are slightly more obscure, though, and he plainly wasn't putting his hands up as he was being told to do. If he had a gun in his hand as well (no proof yet?), then, as said, my sympathies, in this particular case, are with the Police.
Some times I think these the body camera footages are misleading and a home goal for the police.
They appear to show the man calmly get out of the car and being gunned down, with no gun on him apparent.
However, the police have stated he had a gun, he had it in his hand, and his wife appears to have been telling him to 'don't do it' as if he had some kind of plan. Maybe he even wanted to get shot, who knows.
Yet none of this is immediately apparent in the released footage, which is poor quality, out of context, incomplete, shaky, and taken from inconclusive angles, to the extent that most people that see it either cant fully understand what's happening, or wont believe the explanation that goes along with it because they believe the authorities are lying.
I'm almost surprised that they haven't suggested yet that the black cop that actually shot this guy is just a patsy taking the blame for other white cops.
They appear to show the man calmly get out of the car and being gunned down, with no gun on him apparent.
However, the police have stated he had a gun, he had it in his hand, and his wife appears to have been telling him to 'don't do it' as if he had some kind of plan. Maybe he even wanted to get shot, who knows.
Yet none of this is immediately apparent in the released footage, which is poor quality, out of context, incomplete, shaky, and taken from inconclusive angles, to the extent that most people that see it either cant fully understand what's happening, or wont believe the explanation that goes along with it because they believe the authorities are lying.
I'm almost surprised that they haven't suggested yet that the black cop that actually shot this guy is just a patsy taking the blame for other white cops.
SilverSpur said:
Some times I think these the body camera footages are misleading and a home goal for the police.
They appear to show the man calmly get out of the car and being gunned down, with no gun on him apparent.
However, the police have stated he had a gun, he had it in his hand, and his wife appears to have been telling him to 'don't do it' as if he had some kind of plan. Maybe he even wanted to get shot, who knows.
Yet none of this is immediately apparent in the released footage, which is poor quality, out of context, incomplete, shaky, and taken from inconclusive angles, to the extent that most people that see it either cant fully understand what's happening, or wont believe the explanation that goes along with it because they believe the authorities are lying.
I'm almost surprised that they haven't suggested yet that the black cop that actually shot this guy is just a patsy taking the blame for other white cops.
it's odd, some police officers have been deliberately sabotaging the equipment - http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/22-police-sho... & http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/chica... .They appear to show the man calmly get out of the car and being gunned down, with no gun on him apparent.
However, the police have stated he had a gun, he had it in his hand, and his wife appears to have been telling him to 'don't do it' as if he had some kind of plan. Maybe he even wanted to get shot, who knows.
Yet none of this is immediately apparent in the released footage, which is poor quality, out of context, incomplete, shaky, and taken from inconclusive angles, to the extent that most people that see it either cant fully understand what's happening, or wont believe the explanation that goes along with it because they believe the authorities are lying.
I'm almost surprised that they haven't suggested yet that the black cop that actually shot this guy is just a patsy taking the blame for other white cops.
That's despite research like this - https://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/82... - proving it both reduced complaints ( a drop of 88% in that case) and other reports show an increase in successful prosecutions.
Today it's been revealed that he did have the (stolen) gun in his hand when he exited his vehicle and did not let go of it until he was shot (by a black cop, if that makes any difference).
This man was a felon, so should not have been in possession of a (stolen) gun in the first place. He also served 8 years behind bars for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in another state and had a restraining order served by his wife for domestic violence on her and his children - the complaint stated that he was an alcohol abuser who was illegally in possession of a firearm.
So, convicted alcohol-abusing felon, with a penchant for violence, in illegal possession of a firearm, being completely non-compliant. When he finally does get out of his pick-up truck, after a protracted period of requests from law enforcement to put the weapon down - he's still got it, ready to fire in his hand. Short of actually opening fire on the officers, what more of a deadly threat could this have possibly been?
This man was a felon, so should not have been in possession of a (stolen) gun in the first place. He also served 8 years behind bars for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in another state and had a restraining order served by his wife for domestic violence on her and his children - the complaint stated that he was an alcohol abuser who was illegally in possession of a firearm.
So, convicted alcohol-abusing felon, with a penchant for violence, in illegal possession of a firearm, being completely non-compliant. When he finally does get out of his pick-up truck, after a protracted period of requests from law enforcement to put the weapon down - he's still got it, ready to fire in his hand. Short of actually opening fire on the officers, what more of a deadly threat could this have possibly been?
Matt Harper said:
Today it's been revealed that he did have the (stolen) gun in his hand when he exited his vehicle and did not let go of it until he was shot (by a black cop, if that makes any difference).
This man was a felon, so should not have been in possession of a (stolen) gun in the first place. He also served 8 years behind bars for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in another state and had a restraining order served by his wife for domestic violence on her and his children - the complaint stated that he was an alcohol abuser who was illegally in possession of a firearm.
So, convicted alcohol-abusing felon, with a penchant for violence, in illegal possession of a firearm, being completely non-compliant. When he finally does get out of his pick-up truck, after a protracted period of requests from law enforcement to put the weapon down - he's still got it, ready to fire in his hand. Short of actually opening fire on the officers, what more of a deadly threat could this have possibly been?
Any links to this report that says he defo had the gun in his hand?This man was a felon, so should not have been in possession of a (stolen) gun in the first place. He also served 8 years behind bars for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in another state and had a restraining order served by his wife for domestic violence on her and his children - the complaint stated that he was an alcohol abuser who was illegally in possession of a firearm.
So, convicted alcohol-abusing felon, with a penchant for violence, in illegal possession of a firearm, being completely non-compliant. When he finally does get out of his pick-up truck, after a protracted period of requests from law enforcement to put the weapon down - he's still got it, ready to fire in his hand. Short of actually opening fire on the officers, what more of a deadly threat could this have possibly been?
He sounds like a real nice character.
Video released of a shooting last year in which a 6 year old boy was shot by police. Nobody gives a s
t about this one though, there were no riots.
The audio is interesting, anybody have any weapons on them? " I have no idea"
Nothing graphic in the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3QBbhUW-E
t about this one though, there were no riots.The audio is interesting, anybody have any weapons on them? " I have no idea"
Nothing graphic in the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3QBbhUW-E
saw some footage of a number of Police Officers being shot after pulling over a Car or truck. All I can say is what a fking mess. The poor Police Officers don't know who or what is in the vehicle and the poor sods driving will be scared stless that the Police Officer is going to kill them.
king mess. The poor Police Officers don't know who or what is in the vehicle and the poor sods driving will be scared stless that the Police Officer is going to kill them. Pesty said:
Video released of a shooting last year in which a 6 year old boy was shot by police. Nobody gives a st about this one though, there were no riots.
The audio is interesting, anybody have any weapons on them? " I have no idea"
Nothing graphic in the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3QBbhUW-E
Wow. Have you read this:t about this one though, there were no riots.The audio is interesting, anybody have any weapons on them? " I have no idea"
Nothing graphic in the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3QBbhUW-E
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/inside-sma...
These aren't proper police either.
Matt Harper said:
Because cops carry a few unregistered guns around with them, on the off-chance that they encounter an innocent black man to plant them on. It's part of their standard issue kit.
I guess this innocent peace-loving bookworm was wearing an ankle holster as a fashion statement.
A throw-down.I guess this innocent peace-loving bookworm was wearing an ankle holster as a fashion statement.
SilverSpur said:
Wow. Have you read this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/inside-sma...
These aren't proper police either.
That is one bizarre read.https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/inside-sma...
These aren't proper police either.
Part of the USA are still run on wild west fiefdoms.
and some young racists in training.
I guess they'll all grow up to be police officers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/mid...
I guess they'll all grow up to be police officers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/mid...
Whilst that's a shame is that across the whole of the US because I wonder what the figure is for those that were unarmed & shot/killed.
No one is saying all the police are bad what most are saying is the training is off, being a police doesn't even make the top 5 off most dangerous jobs when it comes to numbers killed in the US.
What people are saying is asses the situation, a man breaking up a fight is not an aggressor therefore doesn't need to be placed in a chokehold & killed, a kid playing in the park doesn't need to be shot less than two seconds after pulling up on the grass etc, that's why there's a thread for this.
No one is saying all the police are bad what most are saying is the training is off, being a police doesn't even make the top 5 off most dangerous jobs when it comes to numbers killed in the US.
What people are saying is asses the situation, a man breaking up a fight is not an aggressor therefore doesn't need to be placed in a chokehold & killed, a kid playing in the park doesn't need to be shot less than two seconds after pulling up on the grass etc, that's why there's a thread for this.
Elroy Blue said:
Two Police Officers shot dead a few days ago. One a lady killed after returning from maternity leave.
Two shot yesterday and critical.
One shot in he face in New York.
All attending 'routine' calls. Where's the multi-page thread ?
Just a normal day in the life of the USA I'm afraid. The country is screwed. Two shot yesterday and critical.
One shot in he face in New York.
All attending 'routine' calls. Where's the multi-page thread ?
ZX10R NIN said:
a kid playing in the park doesn't need to be shot less than two seconds after pulling up on the grass etc, that's why there's a thread for this.
What a kid that was playing with a fake gun with the orange tip removed. In a neighbourhood plagued with gang and gun violence. After a local called in the kid menacing people with said gun.Nah, lets completely ignore that these guys aren't robocop and regenerate when getting a few bullets in their direction. Lets think of them as faceless automatons who don't have family and lives.
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