US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[Gandahar]

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

[5ohmustang]

Bigends said:

Respect through fear though surely when the merest sudden move could potentially result in the OP being shot.

Through fear? He was doing his job, I have no reason to fear the police. Obviously I didn't want a speeding ticket but I was in the wrong. There are enough scum bags in the world for a cop to fear, I'll do my part and cooperate.

[5ohmustang]

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

[Bigends]

5ohmustang said:

Bigends said:

Respect through fear though surely when the merest sudden move could potentially result in the OP being shot.

Through fear? He was doing his job, I have no reason to fear the police. Obviously I didn't want a speeding ticket but I was in the wrong. There are enough scum bags in the world for a cop to fear, I'll do my part and cooperate.

You have to sit there with the interior lights on and your hands glued to the wheel = that cant be a good way to go about your everyday business can it? I bet you didnt dare make a sudden move
What would have happened if youd insisted on getting out of your car to discuss the matter?
We actually encourage drivers to exit their vehicles over here

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 16th October 18:50

[MrBrightSi]

5ohmustang said:

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

Piers Morgan award for gandahar

Legal gun ownership to me isn't the problem in America. Look at the UK, all the restrictions to handguns we have and people still use them in the criminal world. Only now decent people who might appreciate guns aren't allowed to safely enjoy them.

I envy the states that have carry open/conceal. In the UK where we are completely dependent on the police for our protection from people who arm themselves with weapons of any kind, it's absolutely pathetic. It baffles me how we can feel safe when the people who we want to defend us from criminals are 20 minutes away at best if they even respond.

[so called]

MrBrightSi said:

5ohmustang said:

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

Piers Morgan award for gandahar

Legal gun ownership to me isn't the problem in America. Look at the UK, all the restrictions to handguns we have and people still use them in the criminal world. Only now decent people who might appreciate guns aren't allowed to safely enjoy them.

I envy the states that have carry open/conceal. In the UK where we are completely dependent on the police for our protection from people who arm themselves with weapons of any kind, it's absolutely pathetic. It baffles me how we can feel safe when the people who we want to defend us from criminals are 20 minutes away at best if they even respond.

And yet your safer in the UK.

Sorry but I would vote against a gun in your hands.

[MrBrightSi]

so called said:

MrBrightSi said:

5ohmustang said:

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

Piers Morgan award for gandahar

Legal gun ownership to me isn't the problem in America. Look at the UK, all the restrictions to handguns we have and people still use them in the criminal world. Only now decent people who might appreciate guns aren't allowed to safely enjoy them.

I envy the states that have carry open/conceal. In the UK where we are completely dependent on the police for our protection from people who arm themselves with weapons of any kind, it's absolutely pathetic. It baffles me how we can feel safe when the people who we want to defend us from criminals are 20 minutes away at best if they even respond.

And yet your safer in the UK.

Sorry but I would vote against a gun in your hands.

Best vote to get shotguns taken away from people then.

I've also handled/used hand guns in Germany. Nobody died.

[so called]

MrBrightSi said:

so called said:

MrBrightSi said:

5ohmustang said:

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

Piers Morgan award for gandahar

Legal gun ownership to me isn't the problem in America. Look at the UK, all the restrictions to handguns we have and people still use them in the criminal world. Only now decent people who might appreciate guns aren't allowed to safely enjoy them.

I envy the states that have carry open/conceal. In the UK where we are completely dependent on the police for our protection from people who arm themselves with weapons of any kind, it's absolutely pathetic. It baffles me how we can feel safe when the people who we want to defend us from criminals are 20 minutes away at best if they even respond.

And yet your safer in the UK.

Sorry but I would vote against a gun in your hands.

Best vote to get shotguns taken away from people then.

I've also handled/used hand guns in Germany. Nobody died.

You are taking it down to yourself personally.
You may not be an unbalanced moron and I don't know what difference "handling/using guns in Germany" has to do with anything?
I find that a pathetic point or argument.
I spend a lot of time every year and have a lot of hunting friends in Germany.
Your attitude and that you can't see past the end of your nose is why I have said what I said.

Edited by so called on Sunday 16th October 20:47

[ZX10R NIN]

Matt Harper said:

Probably right - it just gets up my nose a bit when the armchair police tactical experts use their hypothesis (rather than actual knowledge) as fact - having scant understanding of the realities.

I do believe that if Crutcher had complied - and not reached into the open window of his car, when a cop was pointing a gun at him (which he most definitely did do), he'd still be around, psychotically terrorizing the general populace today.

I have no opinion regarding the MN shooting, because all of the video was post-event. I suspect it is very likely that the cop was unjustified - and overly anxious on learning the passenger was a CCW. When there is a gun involved (other than that of the cop) CCW holders need to be compliant and follow officer instructions to the letter. I'm not suggesting this man did anything other than that, but we cannot determine that from the video.

Our differences on this subject aside, I very much appreciate your kind sentiment regarding my kid. Thank you for that.

life would be boring if we all had the same point of view.

Apparently one of the reasons that officer is being charged is because Mr Crutcher had told them he was going to get his ID out of his SUV after they weren't listening to why he was stood in the road, how true that is only the trial will tell.

[anonymous-user]

MrBrightSi said:

5ohmustang said:

Gandahar said:

All this tells us is the police in the US have too many guns and non police have too many guns


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37672758

"Trinity Gay was hit in the neck during an exchange of fire between two vehicles in a restaurant car park."

The wild wild west of a car park ....

TOO MANY GUNS IN THE US AND THEREFORE

answers on a postcard please addressed to the blindingly obvious. US citizens may not send postcards in due to the fact of the 2nd amendment which means a load of outdated bks

I could not read that, my b.s. filter blocked it out.

Piers Morgan award for gandahar

Legal gun ownership to me isn't the problem in America. Look at the UK, all the restrictions to handguns we have and people still use them in the criminal world. Only now decent people who might appreciate guns aren't allowed to safely enjoy them.

I envy the states that have carry open/conceal. In the UK where we are completely dependent on the police for our protection from people who arm themselves with weapons of any kind, it's absolutely pathetic. It baffles me how we can feel safe when the people who we want to defend us from criminals are 20 minutes away at best if they even respond.

It's hardly irrational to feel safe when the US has over 50x (per 100k of the population) more gun murders than we do.

[BlackLabel]

They've just released the police dash-cam footage of a fatal shooting which took place last year - the one where the dead person's girlfriend streamed part of it on Facebook live.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40357355

[Matt Harper]

There is an unedited version of that dash-cam video available.

So it looks like the guy in the car ignored/failed to follow the officers instructions having announced that he was armed.

Sad but inevitable conclusion to that interaction. Justified shooting, was the verdict. I think I can see why.

[B17NNS]

Matt Harper said:

There is an unedited version of that dash-cam video available.

So it looks like the guy in the car ignored/failed to follow the officers instructions having announced that he was armed.

Sad but inevitable conclusion to that interaction. Justified shooting, was the verdict. I think I can see why.

Disagree. Trigger happy cop. The poor bloke openly said he was carrying.

[jshell]

B17NNS said:

Matt Harper said:

There is an unedited version of that dash-cam video available.

So it looks like the guy in the car ignored/failed to follow the officers instructions having announced that he was armed.

Sad but inevitable conclusion to that interaction. Justified shooting, was the verdict. I think I can see why.

Disagree. Trigger happy cop. The poor bloke openly said he was carrying.

...but he still kept reaching for his ID despite his GF saying 'dont'. He didn't deserve it, but knowing the standard of US cops, he was running a big, big risk - and he lost.

Terrible, just terrible.

[Matt Harper]

B17NNS said:

Disagree. Trigger happy cop. The poor bloke openly said he was carrying.

How many times did the cop say, "Don't reach for it", or "Don't pull it out"?

When you ignore those kind of instructions, in that kind of situation, the outcome is predictable.

If he had a CCW he should have been aware of precisely what his actions should have been.
He got the first bit right (telling the cop he was carrying), but got everything thereafter very wrong.

Too many cops get shot during routine traffic stops.

[rscott]

Matt Harper said:

B17NNS said:

Disagree. Trigger happy cop. The poor bloke openly said he was carrying.

How many times did the cop say, "Don't reach for it", or "Don't pull it out"?

When you ignore those kind of instructions, in that kind of situation, the outcome is predictable.

If he had a CCW he should have been aware of precisely what his actions should have been.
He got the first bit right (telling the cop he was carrying), but got everything thereafter very wrong.

Too many cops get shot during routine traffic stops.

Was the officer telling him not to reach for/pull out his firearm or his licence & insurance?

[Pesty]

Everybody still talking thug who attacked a cop?

Funny how these stories never get posted on here.

Guess her life didn't matter.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/baltimore-...

[scenario8]

Pesty said:

Everybody still talking thug who attacked a cop?

Funny how these stories never get posted on here.

Guess her life didn't matter.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/baltimore-...

I beg your pardon? I don't understand your post at all. What was the first sentence intended to say?

Stories such as you link to are posted on PH and are met with revulsion. Few stories as horrific as that because cases that awful are mercifully few in the UK.

Of course her life mattered.

[Loyly]

rscott said:

Was the officer telling him not to reach for/pull out his firearm or his licence & insurance?

If I had a gun, and a cop had a gun pointed at me, I'd assume he was telling me not to reach for the gun.

[Oakey]

Are we ignoring that the guy who was shot said "I'm not pulling it out"?