Shots fired in Munich shopping centre?

[MrNoisy]

Yes I do, possibly worse.

We should have done more, that's where we went wrong.

It's interesting to see how many people talk affectionately about characters like Gaddafi and Saddam then slate our own Politicians.

[Sylvaforever]

aeropilot said:

MrNoisy said:

All this talk of the West creating this through foreign policy is utter guff.

So you really think we'd be in this situation today if those dumb arse Western politicians hadn't decided to support the removal of Saddam Hussain, Gadaffi and Assad and thereby destabilising most of the region over the past 15 years.

Totally agree.

[Sylvaforever]

MrNoisy said:

Yes I do, possibly worse.

We should have done more, that's where we went wrong.

It's interesting to see how many people talk affectionately about characters like Gaddafi and Saddam then slate our own Politicians.

I know where you are coming from but your doing it all wrong mate.

Nobody held them in "affection" for starters [cue the old tired pictures] but they forced stability and yes it wasn't nice.

But they understood their own people and how to control them, something that western liberals cannot seem to fathom.

[Cupramax]

Sylvaforever said:

I know where you are coming from but your doing it all wrong mate.

Nobody held them in "affection" for starters [cue the old tired pictures] but they forced stability and yes it wasn't nice.

But they understood their own people and how to control them, something that western liberals cannot seem to fathom.

Exactly, we see now why Saddam and his kind were the way they were, its the only way to keep any sort of stability in the middle east. Fear and force.

[GG89]

The apologist lefts are frothing at the gash for one of these attacks to be a far right nut job. A welcome deflection from the reality of this mess (for them).

[aeropilot]

MrNoisy said:

Yes I do, possibly worse.

We should have done more, that's where we went wrong.

FFS.....you're as delusional as them then.

I despair.

[Puggit]

Just to clear it up for the BBC and Guardian - the Ansbach bomber had a video of himself, on his phone, pledging allegiance to ISIS.

OK, he may have had mental issues, but someone has got to him.

[scherzkeks]

MrNoisy said:

There is a lot of info out there that opens ones eyes to some of the complexities of this.

Indeed, you seem to have missed nearly all of it.

[ABZ RS6]

Puggit said:

OK, he may have had mental issues

They have all got mental issues if they believe in sky fairies

[aeropilot]

Puggit said:

OK, he may have had mental issues, but someone has got to him.

Not necessarily.

If he had mental issues he's going to be susceptible to all sorts of junk/crap spouted about and available on the net which he may 'feel' aligns what is going on inside his head - even without any direct grooming/contact from another human.

[GG89]

You could argue that all people of faith have mental issues.

[AJL308]

Cupramax said:

Sylvaforever said:

I know where you are coming from but your doing it all wrong mate.

Nobody held them in "affection" for starters [cue the old tired pictures] but they forced stability and yes it wasn't nice.

But they understood their own people and how to control them, something that western liberals cannot seem to fathom.

Exactly, we see now why Saddam and his kind were the way they were, its the only way to keep any sort of stability in the middle east. Fear and force.

It is deeply ingrained in their culture. A vicious psycho at the top controlling everyone else. It's how the Middle East has always been and probably always will be.

[FredClogs]

Isn't it obvious that in THIS instant religion played absolutely no part in this guys motives, he was a spree killer obsessed young man who lived out a fantasy he'd harbored for some time. Why are people consistently talking about religion in this thread?

[AJL308]

Puggit said:

Just to clear it up for the BBC and Guardian - the Ansbach bomber had a video of himself, on his phone, pledging allegiance to ISIS.

OK, he may have had mental issues, but someone has got to him.

I find it amusing how they are playing up the 'mental' issues of the last couple of mass killers. They are using the angle that it wasn't religiously motivated - they just had mental health issues.

However, you aren't considered to have a mental health problem if you blow yourself up and kill lots of people for the stated desire of meeting your Sky Fairy maker and being granted 72 hairless virgins as a reward. You CLEARLY are mentally defective if you believe that st.

[Cobnapint]

AJL308 said:

It is deeply ingrained in their culture. A vicious psycho at the top controlling everyone else. It's how the Middle East has always been and probably always will be.

I think the idea that we can tempt the whole of the ME into adopting a full blown democracy like ours has been well and truly put back into the folder marked 'No fking chance'.

[Pesty]

Cobnapint said:

Yer know what it's like....you've had a bad day, and then you get turned away from the only chance you gave yourself to relax that day, an open air concert.

So what do you do. Yes, you detonate the bomb in your rucksack that you packed earlier. We've all been there......

Perhaps he saw somebody scratching his nuts. Perfectly understandable,

[BigLion]

Trabi601 said:

BigLion said:

You can really see how many are getting so defensive they are unable to engage their brain
The last 8 terrorist attacks in 2016 alone in Western Europe were directly related to Islam - of course it's fking natural to assume it is another one of them fools when something hits the headlines.

I'm sorry but In the case of terrorism it's Islam related until proven otherwise given the world we're in.

That kind of attitude really doesn't help any side.

Oh look, another one - let me know when I should stop applying the 'it's Islam unless proven otherwise' assumption



"The Syrian man who blew himself up in Ansbach, Germany, on Sunday made a video pledging allegiance to the leader of so-called Islamic State, Bavaria's interior minister says."

[Randy Winkman]

BigLion said:

Trabi601 said:

BigLion said:

You can really see how many are getting so defensive they are unable to engage their brain
The last 8 terrorist attacks in 2016 alone in Western Europe were directly related to Islam - of course it's fking natural to assume it is another one of them fools when something hits the headlines.

I'm sorry but In the case of terrorism it's Islam related until proven otherwise given the world we're in.

That kind of attitude really doesn't help any side.

Oh look, another one - let me know when I should stop applying the 'it's Islam unless proven otherwise' assumption



"The Syrian man who blew himself up in Ansbach, Germany, on Sunday made a video pledging allegiance to the leader of so-called Islamic State, Bavaria's interior minister says."

Perhaps an angry nutter jumping on a bandwagon.

[aeropilot]

Cobnapint said:

AJL308 said:

It is deeply ingrained in their culture. A vicious psycho at the top controlling everyone else. It's how the Middle East has always been and probably always will be.

I think the idea that we can tempt the whole of the ME into adopting a full blown democracy like ours has been well and truly put back into the folder marked 'No fking chance'.

That folder has sat in most experienced diplomatic filing cabinets for decades, it was only the dumb fkwit politicians who keep refusing to actually read the contents and understand them.

[Digga]

aeropilot said:

Cobnapint said:

AJL308 said:

It is deeply ingrained in their culture. A vicious psycho at the top controlling everyone else. It's how the Middle East has always been and probably always will be.

I think the idea that we can tempt the whole of the ME into adopting a full blown democracy like ours has been well and truly put back into the folder marked 'No fking chance'.

That folder has sat in most experienced diplomatic filing cabinets for decades, it was only the dumb fkwit politicians who keep refusing to actually read the contents and understand them.

O/T slightly, but did anyone catch the documentary on TV about Oliver Reed making a state-sponsored film for Saddam in Iraq? Was excellent and very interesting and reminded me of the way Saddam kept order. Certainly you'd never be able to have a Western film crew working out there now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/07/24/oliver...