Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required

[technodup]

Welshbeef said:

Yes but like for like we pay the same.

You are electing to stream Sky Atlantic stream pay per view sports and movies - I'm legally paying the price.

I'm fairly sure I've never watched a Sky Atlantic show via any method, legal or otherwise. Neither do I watch films. Most sport too I can't be bothered with any more. If I want to watch football I go to Ibrox.

I gather some filthy lowlifes 'steal' TV but I'm legit.

[Funk]

Pesty said:

Funk said:

Your wife is right; you do need a licence.

With Sky you're receiving a live broadcast - whether you watch it or record it is irrelevant, it's still live and for that you need a licence.

Currently no licence is required if you do not watch or record any live broadcasts.

When we had sky you could watch on demand no need to record anything. Don't think a licence is needed for that. Ready to be corrected.

You're correct - the key word was 'record'. If you're watching or recording a live broadcast, you need a licence.

If you're streaming from the internet then no licence is required (unless it's also being broadcast live at the same time). Sky On-Demand would not require a licence as it's not being broadcast live. The exception to this rule (from September) will be iPlayer.

[Einion Yrth]

technodup said:

If I want to watch football I go to Ibrox.

That's "Fitba'"; it's a very different game.

[Jobbo]

Welshbeef said:

Anyone with Skyq.

Remember fibre is £20
Land line £18
So £38pcm before you even have tele

You spend £97 per month on the telly package? You do know that grot is available online?!

[FredClogs]

Funk said:

Pesty said:

Funk said:

Your wife is right; you do need a licence.

With Sky you're receiving a live broadcast - whether you watch it or record it is irrelevant, it's still live and for that you need a licence.

Currently no licence is required if you do not watch or record any live broadcasts.

When we had sky you could watch on demand no need to record anything. Don't think a licence is needed for that. Ready to be corrected.

You're correct - the key word was 'record'. If you're watching or recording a live broadcast, you need a licence.

If you're streaming from the internet then no licence is required (unless it's also being broadcast live at the same time). Sky On-Demand would not require a licence as it's not being broadcast live. The exception to this rule (from September) will be iPlayer.

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license, if you just have a sky box with no dish and use the sky box for just the downloaded content you may not need a license but you are an idiot because you're paying sky a full subscription and only receiving 1/3 of the service.

[paulrockliffe]

The Sky On Demand stuff is a bit of a grey area isn't it? Last time I looked On Demand operated a system of broadcast and record on a hidden bit of the hard disk for a lot of the content, rather than defaulting to an internet stream for everything. You could argue that both ways I think

I'm not sure whether it is possible to identify whether you're watching a pre-record or a stream either?

[Einion Yrth]

paulrockliffe said:

I'm not sure whether it is possible to identify whether you're watching a pre-record or a stream either?

Unplug the Cat5?

[Welshbeef]

Jobbo said:

Welshbeef said:

Anyone with Skyq.

Remember fibre is £20
Land line £18
So £38pcm before you even have tele

You spend £97 per month on the telly package? You do know that grot is available online?!

Where? And how do I get that connected to my TV?

[RicharDC5]

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a licence. You need a licence to watch or record live TV.

[Funk]

RicharDC5 said:

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a license. You need a license to watch or record live TV.

I was about to post exactly that and you saved me the trouble!

Same as owning a car doesn't mean you need a driving licence.

[skyrover]

Einion Yrth said:

paulrockliffe said:

I'm not sure whether it is possible to identify whether you're watching a pre-record or a stream either?

Unplug the Cat5?

Cat 5 is so 2008... get with the times

[dave_s13]

I'm happy to pay the fee.

We use the iplayer a lot for the kids. For instance, we are off on holiday this afternoon and have hours of kids programmes downloaded to the tablet to keep them amused whilst travelling. Worth it just for that.

I use the BBC music app a lot and I'm an avid radio 6 listener. I also think the beeb make the best TV documentaries, when they get it right.

No other provider does it as well it reckon.

[RicharDC5]

Funk said:

RicharDC5 said:

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a license. You need a license to watch or record live TV.

I was about to post exactly that and you saved me the trouble!

Same as owning a car doesn't mean you need a driving licence.

But for some reason people are struggling to understand this. The above is clearly stated on the BBC website.

[Foliage]

About time really isn't it.

[FredClogs]

RicharDC5 said:

Funk said:

RicharDC5 said:

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a license. You need a license to watch or record live TV.

I was about to post exactly that and you saved me the trouble!

Same as owning a car doesn't mean you need a driving licence.

But for some reason people are struggling to understand this. The above is clearly stated on the BBC website.

Why would you pay for the equipment and subscription to watch live broadcast TV and then not watch it, ever? I accept there are some lunatics out in the world who will cut off their nose to spite their face but I don't accept that the majority of the non license fee payer types aren't actually using the technology and subscription they've paid for, ever! Just don't believe it and I don't see why the courts would.

[RicharDC5]

FredClogs said:

RicharDC5 said:

Funk said:

RicharDC5 said:

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a license. You need a license to watch or record live TV.

I was about to post exactly that and you saved me the trouble!

Same as owning a car doesn't mean you need a driving licence.

But for some reason people are struggling to understand this. The above is clearly stated on the BBC website.

Why would you pay for the equipment and subscription to watch live broadcast TV and then not watch it, ever? I accept there are some lunatics out in the world who will cut off their nose to spite their face but I don't accept that the majority of the non license fee payer types aren't actually using the technology and subscription they've paid for, ever! Just don't believe it and I don't see why the courts would.

I have no idea. But there is a difference between assuming people are doing something, and stating something which is factually incorrect!

[technodup]

FredClogs said:

I don't accept that the majority of the non license fee payer types aren't actually using the technology and subscription they've paid for, ever! Just don't believe it and I don't see why the courts would.

You and the courts can believe what you like. TVL have to prove they are watching it, not the other way around.

[AndStilliRise]

Looks like some of the BBC License Detectives are scaremongering. Good luck to you, but this is PH.

[Welshbeef]

AndStilliRise said:

Looks like some of the BBC License Detectives are scaremongering. Good luck to you, but this is PH.

I keep asking where and how legally can I get to watch all sky sports sky movies sky Atlantic Fox and all BBC channels for free? As I want to post it up on Martin Lewis money saving expert I think it's a superb idea that we as PH could support and publish where and how to do it (as it is totally legal to do so). We could save the hard working poor and everyone else in the country a small fortune.


If there isn't a response I guess we can accept that clearly it isn't legal which I'm highly confident is the case - else all those companies will go pop in no time.

[FredClogs]

technodup said:

FredClogs said:

I don't accept that the majority of the non license fee payer types aren't actually using the technology and subscription they've paid for, ever! Just don't believe it and I don't see why the courts would.

You and the courts can believe what you like. TVL have to prove they are watching it, not the other way around.

People will believe what they believe based on the evidence presented to them,, and so will I and they'll believe that if you've got the equipment and are paying for the service that you'll be using it, a perfectly reasonable assumption. The TVL people don't need to prove your guilt they just need to prosecute you and provide the evidence.

200,000 prosecutions in 2012/2013, over 3500 a week - do you really think anyone is going to take the time to listen to your bull st theoretical excuses. Of course if you've never criminally infringed the TV licensing law then you have nothing to worry about.

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