Uber are getting shirty

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jamoor

14,506 posts

216 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
I'm going against the flow of some on this topic. How many drunk women/males rely on a taxi to get them home safely? Uber needs to shut the fk up and learn responsible corporate PR and ways.

Powerfully built PHers who have never experienced being female and vunerable don't know the risk

What tfl has done is not extreme. It's common sense.

Get your house in order Uber.
You clearly have 0 idea how this works.

TFL give licences to drivers, only then is uber allowed to let them drive. If the driver is dodgy it's entirely TFLs fault, this is how they ensure the public's safety.

KTF

9,809 posts

151 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Blaster72 said:
I've only used them once and the African driver spent the whole trip telling me how he doesn't make any money and Uber had screwed him over.
Did he explain why he was still driving for them then if he didn't make any money and had been 'screwed over'?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
Its approach to how Enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks are obtained.
This makes no sense...

Having recently enjoyed the pointless unhelpfulness of the DBS service when chasing my own cert.. theres only one way to get a valid DBS.. and thats via HM gov.

If TFL don't like Uber's certs.. then they need to take it up with the service that provides them, and the Quango that runs it.
https://secure.crbonline.gov.uk/

treetops

1,177 posts

159 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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markcoznottz said:
hyphen said:
thumbup Good on London. It was Cameron, Osbourne and their cronies whose support they were relying on, and with them gone and a Labour Mayor TFL can make a stand.

Horrible company. I expect lots of lawsuits and they will get it back soon though.

Some customers love it, however they should know once Uber gets its dominance, they will screw them for every penny. Just this week they banned sharing a cab from Heathrow and other popular destinations to make more profit.

There is a place for a uber type company, and healthy competition against black cabs and private hires, but Uber cannot be trusted.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 22 September 11:21

Will be interesting seeing how much influence Cam and Osbourne still have.
Well let's just say George Osborne is a well paid adviser of a certain investment manager...who've invested £100m in Uber...who'll be desperate not to loose their dosh!

Errr George can you help us out here and justify your laughable fee!?



Oakey

27,592 posts

217 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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KTF said:
Did he explain why he was still driving for them then if he didn't make any money and had been 'screwed over'?
Maybe he's tied into their vehicle financing package?

Blaster72

10,869 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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KTF said:
Blaster72 said:
I've only used them once and the African driver spent the whole trip telling me how he doesn't make any money and Uber had screwed him over.
Did he explain why he was still driving for them then if he didn't make any money and had been 'screwed over'?
He just said they'd recently changed the amount the drivers got from each fare and he now could barely afford the cab (Prius) he was renting. He reckoned on getting out in six months once his contract for the car was up.

Blaster72

10,869 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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BTW I'm not biased either way, I've still not seen anywhere how much you earn per hour on average driving for Uber vs say a local taxi company.

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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AC43 said:
Plus they are horribly rattly draughty uncomfortable things with the noisiet tugboat engines known to man.
You forgot the crashy suspension.

I've noticed the LTI cabs all seem to rust at the back of the rear door window frames. Some kind of design flaw somewhere.

turbomoped

4,180 posts

84 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
It is amazing how the latest breed of consumer doesn't give a fk about where the money ends up as long as they get the convenience. I for one think that a world filled with big brands ruling over everything is a bad one.

There are loads of taxi apps that works just as as well as uber and pay a fair wage.
True enough ,we now live with a pathetic economic model of app based work from food deliver to shaving products.
Makes the country a magnet for people with no plan for anything beyond the next meal who are taylor made to accept this garbage.
Not exactly the shining new world promised by silicon valley and its bullste.

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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treetops said:
Well let's just say George Osborne is a well paid adviser of a certain investment manager...who've invested £100m in Uber...
Last time I looked, Uber was many things, but "profitable" wasn't one of them.

You'll know when it ever becomes profitable. 50 clone copies of it will open overnight.

Vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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turbomoped said:
True enough ,we now live with a pathetic economic model of app based work from food deliver to shaving products.
Makes the country a magnet for people with no plan for anything beyond the next meal who are taylor made to accept this garbage.
Not exactly the shining new world promised by silicon valley and its bullste.
As a consumer of services I buy into Uber's customer service vs the old school crappy black cab that can't even take a card.

The annoying thing is the cabbies are acting like luddites. They could modernize and improve their offer. It wouldn't be hard. But no, retrench, lobby and seek state protection...

..or is it that they wouldn't like HMRC having a full audit trail?

Vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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drainbrain said:
Last time I looked, Uber was many things, but "profitable" wasn't one of them.

You'll know when it ever becomes profitable. 50 clone copies of it will open overnight.
Uber isn't about cabs, ultimately.

mandos_01

632 posts

102 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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markcoznottz said:
Too many refusals to pay, usually the cash machine scam then run off. Apparently females are worse for not paying
Oh ok, I'll just sleep in a bin then because some other guy didn't pay for a cab once


Richyboy

3,740 posts

218 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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FFS I used it to drive my dad to hospitals, was good value and convenient.

How do I know, when I ring up a local firm, that the car is going to be clean and the driver going to be hospitable? Will no-transport for London have a rating system?


hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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AC43 said:
Plus they are horribly rattly draughty uncomfortable things with the noisiet tugboat engines known to man.

Give me a Prius any day for a late night trip home or early morning Heathrow Express run.
Although thats probably one thing you cant blame the cabbies personally for - the wheelchair-accessible vehicles they dont have much choice over (none whatsoever untill quite recently)

I wonder if its quite a waste of resources that every cab ride has to be this ponderous wheelchair friendly monstrosity? What do other cities do? That said Ive hired a london style cab in cities other than london where theyre chosen to operate alongside conventional cars so you cant blame the vehicle for the drivers attitudes or the ridiculous costs.

Frank7

6,619 posts

88 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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jamoor said:
Certainly a far sight better than the old minicab firms.

They are trying to totally destroy an old industry that has ripped off consumers for years and gotten away with it.
More horse excrement from someone with no idea what he's talking about
Use black cabs, don't use black cabs, your call, it makes no never mind to me, but get it clear once and for all, the black cab driver DOESN'T set the metered fare, TFL does.
Every year the L.T.D.A. petitions TFL for a fare review, citing this, this, and this.
TFL look into the price of a new taxi, the new electric TX will be £55,600, the last new TX1 I bought was an N prefix reg, 1994, £28,995.
The price of diesel is taken into consideration, any rise in VED, or insurance rates etc., spare parts, tyres, blah, blah, blah.
Sometimes TFL sanction a rise, sometimes they don't.
It usually starts with the flag fall, over the years it went from £1.80 to £2.00, then today it's £2.60 for the first 234 metres, or 50.4 seconds, for each additional 117.4 metres there is a charge of 20p and so on.
I've been out of "the game" now for almost 6 years, I'd had the good times and earned a nice few quid, I'll never need to work again, but I did the job straight, I never said no to anyone, I went where they wanted to go, when they wanted to go.
It didn't bother me if they were back, white, yellow or brown, if they could pay the fare, they could get in.
I wasn't getting any younger, Uber were starting to make a difference, and I didn't have enough years left in me to wait to see if they'd run us into the ground, or lose their licence.
They have 21 days to appeal, and with their millions, it's dollars to doughnuts that they've a good chance of spreading some dough around, and getting it overturned.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

185 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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I've often wondered why Uber didn't adopt the "Just Eat" business model, and provide a booking, tracking and billing service for existing PHOs, rather than try to compete directly with them.

I can see the appeal being costly and contentious though - they are not the sort of company to take decisions like this lightly, and they do have a huge pool of investor cash to splash on the appeal.

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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People are saying that TFL have banned them to protect other PHO and Black cabs - but the statement refers to a number of issues which appear to be valid criteria for not allowing them to hold a licence - you would think therefore they will be bullet proof against any appeal - BUT - if UBER somehow convince them (or a court) that they have complied with the rules then TFL will have to give them a licence.

Vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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S11Steve said:
I've often wondered why Uber didn't adopt the "Just Eat" business model, and provide a booking, tracking and billing service for existing PHOs, rather than try to compete directly with them.

I can see the appeal being costly and contentious though - they are not the sort of company to take decisions like this lightly, and they do have a huge pool of investor cash to splash on the appeal.
Because it isn't about cabs. It's about a massive, very smart data platform that can be tuned to almost any mode of transport/delivery.

ClockworkCupcake

74,600 posts

273 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Mojooo said:
People are saying that TFL have banned them to protect other PHO and Black cabs - but the statement refers to a number of issues which appear to be valid criteria for not allowing them to hold a licence - you would think therefore they will be bullet proof against any appeal - BUT - if UBER somehow convince them (or a court) that they have complied with the rules then TFL will have to give them a licence.
Or, indeed, if they just buckle down and comply with the rules.