Uber are getting shirty
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Mrr T said:
7795 said:
In the meantime the all consuming juggernaut, Uber, will grow and grow and eventually up their rates when all about them is swallowed up.
It may or it may simply explode in debt. It’s never made a profit and it seems unlikely it will make a profit in the next few years. Its debt is rising almost out of control. At the moment everybody seems oblivious to how shaky the business model is. 7795 said:
Black Cabs are too expensive. Consumer demand has spoken and will win. The rest is just waffle.
People are paying 40-50 % less on an Uber fare because Uber's been operating at a loss! It's cost Uber 2 billion so far to prop up. It's pretty unlikely this will continue for long once all the black cabs have gone.rscott said:
Sa Calobra said:
Ubers tail between it's legs.. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-an...
[b]Very different to the Uber spokesman on R4 this morning. He was very clear that TFL simply haven't told them what they're doing wrong . Eg the background checks - they say there is only one service which can be used for that ( the Disclosure & Barring Service) which Uber already use.[/b]
Same with crime allegation reporting. Uber admitted one case where they didn't pass the report on to TFL promptly, but say that was an exception. Also claimed that the letter of complaint from a police officer was out of the blue as he hadn't raised any of the issues with them first.
popeyewhite said:
7795 said:
Black Cabs are too expensive. Consumer demand has spoken and will win. The rest is just waffle.
People are paying 40-50 % less on an Uber fare because Uber's been operating at a loss! It's cost Uber 2 billion so far to prop up. It's pretty unlikely this will continue for long once all the black cabs have gone.
London424 said:
Mrr T said:
7795 said:
In the meantime the all consuming juggernaut, Uber, will grow and grow and eventually up their rates when all about them is swallowed up.
It may or it may simply explode in debt. It’s never made a profit and it seems unlikely it will make a profit in the next few years. Its debt is rising almost out of control. At the moment everybody seems oblivious to how shaky the business model is. Cabbings a simple job, as soon as uber kill all the competition then "up their prices massively" we'd just get a load of new startups fill the void. Their plan is to be the amazon/google of the industry, theres load of other options but they thrive being the biggest, easiest one because people are lazy.
popeyewhite said:
People are paying 40-50 % less on an Uber fare because Uber's been operating at a loss! It's cost Uber 2 billion so far to prop up. It's pretty unlikely this will continue for long once all the black cabs have gone.
Black cabs will survive long enough to see Uber implode then Black cabs will fall to the sword of emissions with a new solution looking like a styled-melted bar of soap painted black and hybrid touted as the new eco black cab powered by gps and aps. Traditional cabbies will moan the good old days over eels and pie in their forced retirement boozers.Cheap low prices can't go on indefinitely especially if Uber has to pay more outgoings.
What will happen in the short term- Uber will pay tfl lipservice, regain a 12month licence, put out positive PR spin advertising whilst seeking alternative friendly council licenses for ALL it's London drivers.
hairyben said:
I keep saying this, and people keep steadfastly ignoring me and repeating the mantra.
Cabbings a simple job, as soon as uber kill all the competition then "up their prices massively" we'd just get a load of new startups fill the void. Their plan is to be the amazon/google of the industry, theres load of other options but they thrive being the biggest, easiest one because people are lazy.
And Uber's goal is much like Amazons business was never just about books - Uber's is way beyond just a simple cab replacement.Cabbings a simple job, as soon as uber kill all the competition then "up their prices massively" we'd just get a load of new startups fill the void. Their plan is to be the amazon/google of the industry, theres load of other options but they thrive being the biggest, easiest one because people are lazy.
Simply extended, you can start to undercut the courier and delivery market in most of its forms as you use the platform to match supply/demand against capacity.
7795 said:
Black Cabs are too expensive. Consumer demand has spoken and will win. The rest is just waffle.
LOL fair enough - posting when tired is not an aid to brevity and clarity.TL;DR version: is it a reasonable expectation on the part of taxi drivers (especially those who have only just got through The Knowledge) that London / TfL should protect the investment of time those who have invested it have made? Those people played by the rules against the promise of something.
skwdenyer said:
LOL fair enough - posting when tired is not an aid to brevity and clarity.
TL;DR version: is it a reasonable expectation on the part of taxi drivers (especially those who have only just got through The Knowledge) that London / TfL should protect the investment of time those who have invested it have made? Those people played by the rules against the promise of something.
Were the luddites protected by the state because they knew how to operate manual looms and objected to the powered looms? TL;DR version: is it a reasonable expectation on the part of taxi drivers (especially those who have only just got through The Knowledge) that London / TfL should protect the investment of time those who have invested it have made? Those people played by the rules against the promise of something.
Vaud said:
Were the luddites protected by the state because they knew how to operate manual looms and objected to the powered looms?
By mandating that black cabs must provide a wheelchair accessible service and pass 'the knowledge' the black cab starts with an unfair disadvantage when it comes to price competition. But most people don't care so f
k everyone else if they get their cheap cab.desolate said:
Vaud said:
Were the luddites protected by the state because they knew how to operate manual looms and objected to the powered looms?
By mandating that black cabs must provide a wheelchair accessible service and pass 'the knowledge' the black cab starts with an unfair disadvantage when it comes to price competition. But most people don't care so f
k everyone else if they get their cheap cab.The knowledge is becoming archaic with GPS, Waze, etc - or rather it doesn't add enough value on the crowded streets of London. So reduce the barriers for entry for black cabs and things become a little more equalised. Equally enforce them taking cards, some smarter apps and acceptance of journeys...
desolate said:
Vaud said:
Were the luddites protected by the state because they knew how to operate manual looms and objected to the powered looms?
By mandating that black cabs must provide a wheelchair accessible service and pass 'the knowledge' the black cab starts with an unfair disadvantage when it comes to price competition. But most people don't care so f
k everyone else if they get their cheap cab.miniman said:
I will happily pay more for a *genuinely* professional driver who has done The Knowledge because I think it outwits satnav / Waze at every turn. However I would like to pay by card. Surely that's not controversial?
No, and is available using Gett (other taxi hailing apps may be available).Uber does a u-turn on it's excuses and attack on the London Major.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/uber-switches-g...
I don't believe a word their PR machine says.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/uber-switches-g...
I don't believe a word their PR machine says.
carl_w said:
miniman said:
I will happily pay more for a *genuinely* professional driver who has done The Knowledge because I think it outwits satnav / Waze at every turn. However I would like to pay by card. Surely that's not controversial?
No, and is available using Gett (other taxi hailing apps may be available).miniman said:
I know, I use Gett (per my earlier posts) but a key advantage of black cabs is that one can stick one's arm out and hail them. Then they have a "broken card machine". Tsk.
Exactly. 50% of my recent cab journeys have had that excuse.Or "my cab is in for repair, no machine in this one" or "it's just run out of paper" etc.
Vaud said:
miniman said:
I know, I use Gett (per my earlier posts) but a key advantage of black cabs is that one can stick one's arm out and hail them. Then they have a "broken card machine". Tsk.
Exactly. 50% of my recent cab journeys have had that excuse.Or "my cab is in for repair, no machine in this one" or "it's just run out of paper" etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/25/u...
Bet this isn't what the cabbies wanted to hear, they thought it was all over....
Bet this isn't what the cabbies wanted to hear, they thought it was all over....
rscott said:
Compare that to the taxis I use in Gothenburg regularly - fixed price journeys always available and I've never had one with a faulty card machine.
The only official cabs I have found worse than London are Barcelona. Paris used to be bad but they are getting better.The best? Uber in the US, especially Atlanta.
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