Uber are getting shirty

[anonymous-user]

CJEU decides that Uber is a transport company and not an app.

Surprised: no one.

[The Mad Monk]

Breadvan72 said:

CJEU decides that Uber is a transport company and not an app.

Surprised: no one.

What does that mean in the real world?

[anonymous-user]

Uber is subject to greater regulation on employment rights, safety and so on.

[anonymous-user]

My understanding is it means the workers(cab drivers) will get better rights of employment.

[hyphen]

Breadvan72 said:

CJEU decides that Uber is a transport company and not an app.

Surprised: no one.

About time.

Now let's start to treat it like it is one, and stop the race to the bottom for the drivers.

Also in the news: Uber being pressured to limit driver hours, as some of their drivers are doing silly hours to make a living/pay for the Uber car loan, and so safety is being compromised.

[JQ]

Is this likely to affect other apps like AirBnB - fire certificates, gas safety, etc similar to hotels? I know some countries are bringing in their own regs for AirBnB, but might a large hotel operator bring a similar claim to the Spanish Taxi drivers?

[Eric Mc]

Next up - Facebook, Twitter et al judged to be media corporations and become subject to media regulations.

[KTF]

JQ said:

Is this likely to affect other apps like AirBnB - fire certificates, gas safety, etc similar to hotels? I know some countries are bringing in their own regs for AirBnB, but might a large hotel operator bring a similar claim to the Spanish Taxi drivers?

On Today this morning there was a suggestion that AirBnB, etc are next on the radar as they are really 'hotels'.

[98elise]

hyphen said:

Breadvan72 said:

CJEU decides that Uber is a transport company and not an app.

Surprised: no one.

About time.

Now let's start to treat it like it is one, and stop the race to the bottom for the drivers.

Also in the news: Uber being pressured to limit driver hours, as some of their drivers are doing silly hours to make a living/pay for the Uber car loan, and so safety is being compromised.

Dose the same apply to Black Cab drivers and minicabs? (honest question as I don't know)

If they can earn more freelance and can truly work for any company at any time then I don't have an issue with them being self employed as it should mean better pay. I'm a contractor and I certainly get better pay in lieu of employment rights and perks.

I suspect the drivers will earn less if they are salaried employees. The Pimlico Plumbers case they were high earners as freelance but also wanted employment rights. If they want sick pay, holiday pay etc then their salary is going to reflect that.

I'd prefer to take the money.

[CzechItOut]

Do minicab companies employ their drivers? I looked at the accounts of a few minicab companies in my town and none employ any of theirs.

[anonymous-user]

Different business model.

[Sa Calobra]

98elise said:

Dose the same apply to Black Cab drivers and minicabs? (honest question as I don't know)

If they can earn more freelance and can truly work for any company at any time then I don't have an issue with them being self employed as it should mean better pay. I'm a contractor and I certainly get better pay in lieu of employment rights and perks.

I suspect the drivers will earn less if they are salaried employees. The Pimlico Plumbers case they were high earners as freelance but also wanted employment rights. If they want sick pay, holiday pay etc then their salary is going to reflect that.

I'd prefer to take the money.

Are you also on the same sort of 'contractor' money as taxi drivers?

The public sector has alot of ltd company contractors. I'll hold my tongue on that practice.

It's great saying it gives Uber drivers freedom to choose their hours when in reality they are trying to pay for a shiny new leased car etc.

[98elise]

Sa Calobra said:

98elise said:

Dose the same apply to Black Cab drivers and minicabs? (honest question as I don't know)

If they can earn more freelance and can truly work for any company at any time then I don't have an issue with them being self employed as it should mean better pay. I'm a contractor and I certainly get better pay in lieu of employment rights and perks.

I suspect the drivers will earn less if they are salaried employees. The Pimlico Plumbers case they were high earners as freelance but also wanted employment rights. If they want sick pay, holiday pay etc then their salary is going to reflect that.

I'd prefer to take the money.

Are you also on the same sort of 'contractor' money as taxi drivers?

The public sector has alot of ltd company contractors. I'll hold my tongue on that practice.

It's great saying it gives Uber drivers freedom to choose their hours when in reality they are trying to pay for a shiny new leased car etc.

I'm not of course, however if a driver can earn more freelance than an employed driver I don't see that as problem (as long as them money more than compensates for the lack of benefits).

If the reality is it's less money then that's clearly wrong.

How does it work for minicab drivers? We certainly have an Uber driver who posts on here, and IIRC he drove for other cab companies as well. He certainly sounded freelance as he could pick and choose when and who he worked for.

[Yipper]

Uber is spiralling out of control.

Debt, r*pe, legal wars, endless bad publicity, you name it.

Won't be around long, on its current path.

[Sa Calobra]

98elise said:

I'm not of course, however if a driver can earn more freelance than an employed driver I don't see that as problem (as long as them money more than compensates for the lack of benefits).

If the reality is it's less money then that's clearly wrong.

How does it work for minicab drivers? We certainly have an Uber driver who posts on here, and IIRC he drove for other cab companies as well. He certainly sounded freelance as he could pick and choose when and who he worked for.

Can a Uber driver claim petrol/all fuel costs, etc etc like a contractor can offset against his/her self assessment tax bill? As 'running costs'?

It'd be interesting to see. If they can't their costs would be huge.

[crankedup]

hyphen said:

Breadvan72 said:

CJEU decides that Uber is a transport company and not an app.

Surprised: no one.

About time.

Now let's start to treat it like it is one, and stop the race to the bottom for the drivers.

Also in the news: Uber being pressured to limit driver hours, as some of their drivers are doing silly hours to make a living/pay for the Uber car loan, and so safety is being compromised.

Completely agree, this judgement will, apparently, have implications for many other gig economy jobs. About time these cheap labour get rich quick outfits towed the line in offering half decent working conditions of service.

[JagLover]

crankedup said:

Completely agree, this judgement will, apparently, have implications for many other gig economy jobs. About time these cheap labour get rich quick outfits towed the line in offering half decent working conditions of service.

and at least the minimum wage.

[anonymous-user]

#whathastheEUeverdoneforus

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st December 08:49

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

#whathastheEUeverdoneforus

Do you think the British courts would make the same decision?

[anonymous-user]

In the context of worker status, they have, so far, although Uber are appealing and have suggested a reference to the CJEU. The recent CJEU case was a referral from Spain. I am trying to find out if the UK Government made submissions to the Court.