Hate Crime?

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

BlackLabel said:

South Yorkshire Police are having an online q&a on hate crimes. It’s not going very well though.

http://southyorks.police.uk/webchat


https://mobile.twitter.com/syptweet/status/9199781...


Some examples of the type of comments they are getting:

“Comment From Fyodor
My friend just called me a "wog" on AOL chat, is there some sort of legal recourse I could utilise?”

“Comment From Eric Shunn
What happens if I try to talk to someone on the bus and they are rude? Can I make a citizen's arrest?”

“Comment From joe
Hi, I was at work today and someone called me a 'gaylord' can you arrest him plz”

Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 17th October 11:46

That's gone about as badly as it possibly could

I need to get on Twitter. It's comedy gold. That this creeping thought crime legislation is happening under a supposedly Tory government is depressing. They'll regret it if Corbyns lot get in.

[anonymous-user]

Hayek said:

Imagine if as recently ago as 1997 you'd told people that in the not too distant future the Police would concern themselves with painting their nails and attending gay parades in their LGBT-liveried cars.

They would have to assume that all violent crime had pretty much disappeared. I guess it has? No?

[anonymous-user]

It’s been important for the police to develop better relationships with minority groups and try to avoid repeats of Stephen Lawrence, for example. The idea that because more serious crimes occur more minor matters and ‘business’ can’t be developed is a fallacy. If every murder isn’t solved, why do any other activity? Or replace murder with an individual’s subjective threshold.

However, the implementation is important. The shoes / nails stuff is stupid. Attending / supporting a parade is not.

Regarding the Lammy Tweet, he needs to get a grip. That’s not a crime, it’s freedom of speech. The issue the police have with such reports is they must at least record a ‘hate incident’ (not crime) when anyone makes such a report to them.

[anonymous-user]

La Liga said:

It’s been important for the police to develop better relationships with minority groups and try to avoid repeats of Stephen Lawrence, for example. The idea that because more serious crimes occur more minor matters and ‘business’ can’t be developed is a fallacy. If every murder isn’t solved, why do any other activity? Or replace murder with an individual’s subjective threshold.

However, the implementation is important. The shoes / nails stuff is stupid. Attending / supporting a parade is not.

Regarding the Lammy Tweet, he needs to get a grip. That’s not a crime, it’s freedom of speech. The issue the police have with such reports is they must at least record a ‘hate incident’ (not crime) when anyone makes such a report to them.

It’s about root causes of crime and making the police be viewed as less authoritarian and more human.

If communities feel isolated and not represented by the police then perhaps they’re more likely to feel disenfranchised and commit crime,

If people feel party of society, their group moves from just being their family or gang or race or religion and they look on society as their group. That’s due to things like how the government acts towards them and whether they feel the police understand their culture and issues.

The police as the enforcers of the law and often seen as the causes for your disenfranchisement then slowly move from being the force that is against you and your group to being one that represents and protect your group, that’s a massively positive outcome for everyone.

It’s all about making people feel they’re part of uk society and hopefully they’ll then act like that rather than wanting to act against it or even destroy it.

[bitchstewie]

La Liga said:

Regarding the Lammy Tweet, he needs to get a grip. That’s not a crime, it’s freedom of speech. The issue the police have with such reports is they must at least record a ‘hate incident’ (not crime) when anyone makes such a report to them.

Thing is from a Police POV at what point would David Lammy officially get told to "get a grip"?

You said yourself it has to be recorded so that's now a "hate incident" even though it isn't (distasteful isn't the same thing).

When you already have people thinking this is a slippery slope to the thought police, when politicians abuse a system like that it doesn't send a good message.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

La Liga said:

Regarding the Lammy Tweet, he needs to get a grip. That’s not a crime, it’s freedom of speech. The issue the police have with such reports is they must at least record a ‘hate incident’ (not crime) when anyone makes such a report to them.

Thing is from a Police POV at what point would David Lammy officially get told to "get a grip"?

You said yourself it has to be recorded so that's now a "hate incident" even though it isn't (distasteful isn't the same thing).

When you already have people thinking this is a slippery slope to the thought police, when politicians abuse a system like that it doesn't send a good message.

I suppose it’s not their job to tell him to stfu.

They just record the incident as a hate incident (if someone reports it) as opposed to a hate crime, that’s them telling him he’s wrong,

It’s the public and media and other politicians that expose his nonsense and tell him to get a grip.

It’s a bit like on here. If I said now that I’m reporting you for hate crime, the mods either delete your post or ignore me. Then loads of other posters tell me to get a grip and point out how you’ve done nothing wrong.

Social media works well in this case. Lammy is using twitter to expose hate crime and elevate himself. The fact that he’s used this platform to do it, allows people to tell him that he’s wrong and being a dick and to shut his face,

[bitchstewie]

It only works whilst he's using Twitter though. DM the Police or walk into a station and nobody would know.

[irocfan]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

you beat me to it - IMO lammy is a total fking tool and ttish postings like that (and others) do nothing whatsoever to amend that viewpoint. The sooner that gimp drops off the radar the better

[Smiler.]

fblm said:

Where's the crying with laughter smiley? I vaguely remember the thread. That has to be something of a record; what did you say?

Ha, can't remember now. The haughtiness in NP&E know no bounds.

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

you beat me to it - IMO lammy is a total fking tool and ttish postings like that (and others) do nothing whatsoever to amend that viewpoint. The sooner that gimp drops off the radar the better

"Is it 'cos I is black?"

No David, it's 'cos you is thick!

[fakenews]

Can anyone here explain why this sneering racist hasn't been called up yet?

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/sadiq-kh...

[Smiler.]

fakenews said:

Can anyone here explain why this sneering racist hasn't been called up yet?

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/sadiq-kh...

No, but.....

article said:

Sadiq Khan: There are too many white men on Transport for London

Are they supposed to walk to work then?

[Mothersruin]

How a soldier gets around this conundrum.

"Sir, if I just thought you were a tt, is there anything you could do?"

"No Private."

"But if I stated you were a tt, I'd be in trouble?"

"Yes Private, you'd be up on a charge before you'd know it!"

"Thank you Sir, I think you're a tt."

[irocfan]

fakenews said:

Can anyone here explain why this sneering racist hasn't been called up yet?

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/sadiq-kh...

to a point I can see what he is saying - that being said however I would still want the best people on the LT board regardless of their pigmentation or plumbing

[BlackLabel]

POLICE: "Please report people to us for doing things that are not crimes."

https://mobile.twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039056...

Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 10th September 15:27

[WinstonWolf]

BlackLabel said:

Please report non crimes to South Yorkshire Police.


https://mobile.twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039056...

They're getting a lot of hate crime over this...

[irocfan]

BlackLabel said:

POLICE: "Please report people to us for doing things that are not crimes."

https://mobile.twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039056...

Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 10th September 15:27

These total fknuggets can waste time on st like that but haven't got time to investigate car thefts, burglaries or (given that it's Yorkshire) child abuse... s

[anonymous-user]

SYP are getting totally ripped apart on twitter over this.

[liam1986]

The worst thing is, the people that come with this crap are being paid for it.

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps when we report a real crime to get the police to do more than issue a crime number we should stress how mean the criminal was and how that made us feel sad.

[Rovinghawk]

BlackLabel said:

POLICE: "Please report people to us for doing things that are not crimes."

https://mobile.twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039056...

Somehow it will be blamed on budget cuts & excessive workloads.