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BlackLabel said:
Man investigated by police for retweeting a non-positive transgender poem and told “We need to check your thinking”.
A docker from Humberside has been investigated by police over a limerick he posted on Twitter after an officer claimed it constitutes a ‘hate incident’ against transgender people. Harry Miller, 53, from Lincoln was contacted on Wednesday by a community cohesion officer following a complaint that had been made about the plant and machinery dealer’s social media posts.
But we've not got enough manpower to look for car thieves/vandals/muggers/....A docker from Humberside has been investigated by police over a limerick he posted on Twitter after an officer claimed it constitutes a ‘hate incident’ against transgender people. Harry Miller, 53, from Lincoln was contacted on Wednesday by a community cohesion officer following a complaint that had been made about the plant and machinery dealer’s social media posts.
Telegraph said:
Citing 30 potentially offensive tweets, the PC singled out a limerick Mr Miller had retweeted which questioned whether transgender women are biological women. It included the lines: "Your breasts are made of silicone, your vagina goes nowhere."
Even though no crime was committed, sharing the limerick online was recorded as a ‘hate incident’.
Even though no crime was committed, sharing the limerick online was recorded as a ‘hate incident’.
I'd suggest that the vagina in question is the person who prioritises this s
tEdited by irocfan on Friday 25th January 19:34
Nice that the police now have the resources to go after such vile criminals
https://twitter.com/Humberbeat/status/108845573616...
https://twitter.com/Humberbeat/status/108845573616...
The law requires any incident (not a crime) anyone perceives as being a ‘hate incident’ to be recorded by the police and has done so for many years. It’s as simple as that.
The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
La Liga said:
The law requires any incident (not a crime) anyone perceives as being a ‘hate incident’ to be recorded by the police and has done so for many years.
The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
Do you think this social media policing is a good use of resources LL?The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
Halb said:
La Liga said:
The law requires any incident (not a crime) anyone perceives as being a ‘hate incident’ to be recorded by the police and has done so for many years.
The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
Do you think this social media policing is a good use of resources LL?The problem social media and the evolving scope of ‘hate’ / diversity is it increases the potential volumes / opportunity for stupid, waste of time reports.
My default view is speech should be as free as possible and the police should be involved as little as possible with social media. I think you’d struggle to find and police officer who doesn’t hate social media incidents / crimes as they’re nearly all a waste of time.
The issue we have is how social media and communication has evolved and how the laws, made prior to social media, have been applied. Malicious communication offences are technically committed 1000s of times per day.
Police officers, generally being quite practical, would be faced with a social media incident e.g. idiots threatening one another on Facebook, and do what they need to to get rid of it as soon as possible. This would mean not recording a crime as it was a waste of time.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
I expect everyone in the police would be happier if people didn’t report social media incidents / crimes to them unless they were actually serious.
It's not the fault of the officers on the ground, even if the one in this case seemed to have a vested interest. But you have to wonder if the higher ups sit down in a meeting room and decide that strategies such as this would be a good use of resources or will help build community relations.
This from a recent College of Policing report
The recording of, and response to, non-crime hate incidents does not have universal support in
society. Some people use this as evidence to accuse the police of becoming ‘the thought police’,
trying to control what citizens think or believe, rather than what they do. While the police reject
this view, it is important that officers do not overreact to non-crime incidents. To do so would leave
the police service vulnerable to civil legal action or criticism in the media and this could undermine
community confidence in policing.
The recording of, and response to, non-crime hate incidents does not have universal support in
society. Some people use this as evidence to accuse the police of becoming ‘the thought police’,
trying to control what citizens think or believe, rather than what they do. While the police reject
this view, it is important that officers do not overreact to non-crime incidents. To do so would leave
the police service vulnerable to civil legal action or criticism in the media and this could undermine
community confidence in policing.
Bigends said:
This from a recent College of Policing report
The recording of, and response to, non-crime hate incidents does not have universal support in
society. Some people use this as evidence to accuse the police of becoming ‘the thought police’,
trying to control what citizens think or believe, rather than what they do. While the police reject
this view, it is important that officers do not overreact to non-crime incidents. To do so would leave
the police service vulnerable to civil legal action or criticism in the media and this could undermine
community confidence in policing.
Bit late for that now.The recording of, and response to, non-crime hate incidents does not have universal support in
society. Some people use this as evidence to accuse the police of becoming ‘the thought police’,
trying to control what citizens think or believe, rather than what they do. While the police reject
this view, it is important that officers do not overreact to non-crime incidents. To do so would leave
the police service vulnerable to civil legal action or criticism in the media and this could undermine
community confidence in policing.
Well it's not like they have any actual policing to do:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
Mr. White said:
Well it's not like they have any actual policing to do:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
As if by magic: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
La Liga said:
Police officers, generally being quite practical, would be faced with a social media incident e.g. idiots threatening one another on Facebook, and do what they need to to get rid of it as soon as possible. This would mean not recording a crime as it was a waste of time.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
La Liga said:
Mr. White said:
Well it's not like they have any actual policing to do:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
As if by magic: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
La Liga said:
Police officers, generally being quite practical, would be faced with a social media incident e.g. idiots threatening one another on Facebook, and do what they need to to get rid of it as soon as possible. This would mean not recording a crime as it was a waste of time.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
Oh, hang on:
"The figure is even higher for violent crime, with an estimated 20.6 per cent not recorded."
Oops...
Rovinghawk said:
BlackLabel said:
Harry Miller, 53, from Lincoln was contacted on Wednesday by a community cohesion officer
WTF is a "community cohesion officer" and how did we manage without them for so many years?Pending FOI request in relation to this incident
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pc_mansoor_...
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pc_mansoor_...
Mr. White said:
La Liga said:
Mr. White said:
Well it's not like they have any actual policing to do:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
As if by magic: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/watchdo...
La Liga said:
Police officers, generally being quite practical, would be faced with a social media incident e.g. idiots threatening one another on Facebook, and do what they need to to get rid of it as soon as possible. This would mean not recording a crime as it was a waste of time.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
The problem then is the Inspectorate comes in and reviews outcomes vs counting rules and other boring things and finds this practical working isn’t on compliance with what should be recorded etc. So then you end up recording lots of crimes which are a waste of time but do exist and often have lines of enquiry to pursue.
Oh, hang on:
"The figure is even higher for violent crime, with an estimated 20.6 per cent not recorded."
Oops...
Probably best to check before trying to be clever.
Oops...
I dont really see what the issue is
The papers love this as its easy money for them, they'll stir the st and give him a platform
The Police sent someone to have a word with him via a phone call , from my understanding not a proper officer, he didnt get charged or cautioned.
The bloke on twiter does sound a bit of a knob (no pun intended) whos crying about it to anyone who will listen, he seems like a certain type of person.
The papers love this as its easy money for them, they'll stir the s
t and give him a platform The Police sent someone to have a word with him via a phone call , from my understanding not a proper officer, he didnt get charged or cautioned.
The bloke on twiter does sound a bit of a knob (no pun intended) whos crying about it to anyone who will listen, he seems like a certain type of person.
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