Everyone is so offended.
Discussion
kev1974 said:
BAFTA getting battered this morning for not ticking enough BAME actors or female directors boxes in their nominations
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
In this case you might well be right. But don't you think that in decades past a lack of diversity has often been defended with claims that "They were just the best people"? https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
Randy Winkman said:
kev1974 said:
BAFTA getting battered this morning for not ticking enough BAME actors or female directors boxes in their nominations
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
In this case you might well be right. But don't you think that in decades past a lack of diversity has often been defended with claims that "They were just the best people"? https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
No?
amusingduck said:
Randy Winkman said:
kev1974 said:
BAFTA getting battered this morning for not ticking enough BAME actors or female directors boxes in their nominations
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
In this case you might well be right. But don't you think that in decades past a lack of diversity has often been defended with claims that "They were just the best people"? https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
No?
Randy Winkman said:
amusingduck said:
Randy Winkman said:
kev1974 said:
BAFTA getting battered this morning for not ticking enough BAME actors or female directors boxes in their nominations
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
In this case you might well be right. But don't you think that in decades past a lack of diversity has often been defended with claims that "They were just the best people"? https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
No?
There's nothing stopping them from setting criteria that favours BAME/women/whatever. Just be upfront about it, measure objectively, and then announce the results.
Randy Winkman said:
amusingduck said:
Randy Winkman said:
kev1974 said:
BAFTA getting battered this morning for not ticking enough BAME actors or female directors boxes in their nominations
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
In this case you might well be right. But don't you think that in decades past a lack of diversity has often been defended with claims that "They were just the best people"? https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-07/bafta-nominati...
"Bafta chief executive Amanda Berry has said it is "disappointing" that all of the acting nominees for this year's film awards are white and there are no female directors recognised."
I'm offended that they feel their awards ceremony needs to meet particular quotas and they can't just get over the fact that some years the five best films/performances might all happen to be from white males.
No?
Stussy said:
The main reason I would never use it is the smarmy t
t on the screen talking cringeworthy crap to you!
Id end up punching him through the screen
I couldn’t take any of it seriously
My fellow countryman's take on it...t on the screen talking cringeworthy crap to you!Id end up punching him through the screen
I couldn’t take any of it seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jns9NHhzGeM
WinstonWolf said:
What if the best people are now being overlooked to satisfy a quota?
To a degree, they already do something like this.BBC Article said:
[Bafta] said films would not be nominated for best British film or best British debut unless they met at least two of four "diversity standards", which cover on-screen talent, storylines, creative leadership, training and underserved audiences.
(from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5100... )What have any of those things got to do with whether or not a film is any good? Diversity as a marker of artistic merit?
surely its about the best acting/film. sex/gender choice/skin tone has sod all to do with it ???????
Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
The Joker was nominated for 11 awards. If a black actor took the part of the joker, he would be 'whited up'. I'm sure he would face the same level of opprobrium as a white actor blacked-up would. But it's not going to happen as there's no fiendish plot to deprive blacks/afro-Caribbeans of acting awards, based on the awards criteria there's just not as many black winners as white.
Why on earth does any civilian specifically care in the slightest what a group of luvvies thinks or does?
Is the double glazing industry, or the Association of Municipal Lavatory Attendants, riven with similar disputes after their annual awards dinners? If so, why don't these get covered in the press?
Is the double glazing industry, or the Association of Municipal Lavatory Attendants, riven with similar disputes after their annual awards dinners? If so, why don't these get covered in the press?
austinsmirk said:
surely its about the best acting/film. sex/gender choice/skin tone has sod all to do with it ???????
Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
Seriously AM? It's a flipping fairy story with magical ice queens and stuff. And a snowman that talks. There really isn't a problem with Afro-Caribbean characters in there is there? sheesh blimey. It's about inclusion rather than offence. Normalisation of non white characters in stuff makes non white people feel like they belong. That isn't an appalling thing is it?Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
Edited by Astacus on Tuesday 7th January 18:25
Astacus said:
Seriously AM? It's a flipping fairy story with magical ice queens and stuff. And a snowman that talks. There really isn't a problem with Afro-Caribbean characters in there is there? sheesh blimey. It's about inclusion rather than offence. Normalisation of non white characters in stuff makes non white people feel like they belong. That isn't an appalling thing is it?
When I was a little kid I watched a Japanese series on TV, the Nine Dozen Heroes; never once did I feel excluded despite the fact that every last actor was from a specific racial group. They were all male, too.
Astacus said:
austinsmirk said:
surely its about the best acting/film. sex/gender choice/skin tone has sod all to do with it ???????
Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
Seriously AM? It's a flipping fairy story with magical ice queens and stuff. And a snowman that talks. There really isn't a problem with Afro-Caribbean characters in there is there? sheesh blimey. It's about inclusion rather than offence. Normalisation of non white characters in stuff makes non white people feel like they belong. That isn't an appalling thing is it?Must admit, we went to see Frozen 2 at Crimbo with the children. Clearly in what- 16th/17th C Finland/Norway/Sweden type country- there is a good smattering of BME people. Factually, would that even be a reality ? Would the general of the Finnish army by of Afro Caribbean heritage ? I think not. But it does seem like the meeting quotas agenda for no reason other than to ensure no offense is caused anywhere.
I couldn't care less, eg actors doing voice over work surely should be employed for their skills to undertake the job in hand, to give a good performance: but I do think even a film about a talking snowman and magic, should have some sense of historical accuracy !
Edited by Astacus on Tuesday 7th January 18:25
My point is, the setting of the film. Its at a time, place, vague point in history where you'd expect everyone to be probably blonde haired and white.
I'm only saying we're getting to a point where you'd expect the next film about native American's riding the plains of America hunting bison, to show a fully world inclusive dynamic of every colour and creed under the sun to be inclusive. and then a few LGBT transgender ones wanting to be called "they" to tick a few more boxes, probably refusing to eat the bison, only wear hemp based clothes and wanting some almond milk and humus. or decide to starve to death as there is no vegan box to tick 300 years ago when roaming the plains.
I'm only saying we're getting to a point where you'd expect the next film about native American's riding the plains of America hunting bison, to show a fully world inclusive dynamic of every colour and creed under the sun to be inclusive. and then a few LGBT transgender ones wanting to be called "they" to tick a few more boxes, probably refusing to eat the bison, only wear hemp based clothes and wanting some almond milk and humus. or decide to starve to death as there is no vegan box to tick 300 years ago when roaming the plains.
Some on here getting a bit frothy because there are some black characters in Frozen 2 and not everyone is fair haired and white and it's not factually accurate, have I read this right, Frozen 2 not factually accurate, really?
You do realise there isn't a Kingdom of Arrendelle don't you, snowmen don't talk either.
This site really is a parody of itself sometimes.
You do realise there isn't a Kingdom of Arrendelle don't you, snowmen don't talk either.
This site really is a parody of itself sometimes.
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