Everyone is so offended.
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Langweilig said:
markyb_lcy said:
smn159 said:
daddy cool said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet... what colour will you be buying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51611514?ns_mc...
Don't see any problem with that personallyhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51611514?ns_mc...
Breadvan72 said:
TRA is here used as shorthand for the extremists amongst trans groups (many of whom are of course sensible and moderate and pro science) . Many TRAs are aggressively and obviously male, but they say that all they that a man has to do is declare himself a woman and then he magically becomes one. Any woman who opposes them is branded a TERF and shouted down, doxxed, accused of hate speech, forced out of her job, deplatformed, etc. TRAs have captured Stonewall (formerly a sensible LGB lobbying group), and have also captured many government agencies, in a takeover unlike any seen in any genuine civil rights movement.
Ah ok. From what little I've seen, there appear to be nutters on both side - both those who demand they can self identify as household objects, and those who are equally convinced that the bits you're born with cannot be overridden. Having worked with a couple of transsexual colleagues (both from the saner end of the gene pool), neither of the extremes recognise the practicalities of day to day existence, and the compromises that need to be made.hutchst said:
Breadvan72 said:
You are mistaken. Intersex exists, but it is not a sex. TRAs bandy around a lot of pseudoscience, and straightforward science denial, but there are just two sexes. Gender is fluid, because gender is a social construct. Sex is not fluid. The regressive nature of TRA approaches is shown by the notion that to be a man or to be a woman is to conform to social stereotypes of the masculine or the feminine. TRAs also attack same sex attraction (trans away the gay). This is why progressive feminists and progressive LGB people oppose the regressive, misogynistic and homophobic ideas that underpin the current surge in trans extremism.
Meanwhile, an MSP is making a fool of herself on Twitter by accusing those who complained about an adult sex entertainer called Flow Job being invited to a primary school of being homophobic, although many complaining are themselves LGB or tarns people who care about safeguarding.
Want a role model? Why not invite a female engineer, or a male nurse, or a gay or lesbian or bisexual soldier, farmer, whatever? Why convey to children the idea that to be gay is to be a drag queen who has a soft porn website?
Just for complete accuracy, she's(?) an MP, not an MSP, representing the very same town where the Scottish finance minister was sacked last week for grooming schoolboys online. Something is rotten in the State of Scotland.Meanwhile, an MSP is making a fool of herself on Twitter by accusing those who complained about an adult sex entertainer called Flow Job being invited to a primary school of being homophobic, although many complaining are themselves LGB or tarns people who care about safeguarding.
Want a role model? Why not invite a female engineer, or a male nurse, or a gay or lesbian or bisexual soldier, farmer, whatever? Why convey to children the idea that to be gay is to be a drag queen who has a soft porn website?
Tuna said:
Ah ok. From what little I've seen, there appear to be nutters on both side - both those who demand they can self identify as household objects, and those who are equally convinced that the bits you're born with cannot be overridden. Having worked with a couple of transsexual colleagues (both from the saner end of the gene pool), neither of the extremes recognise the practicalities of day to day existence, and the compromises that need to be made.
That is a false equivalence. The extremism is largely on the trans side. Voices of reason and moderation, including the voices of doctors and scientists, are being shouted down. Anyone who questions the trans orthodoxy is branded a bigot. Some of the TRA activists are, on analysis, men's rights activists attempting to reverse the progress made by feminism and by LGB activism over decades.
As for the issues re children, this is worth going past the Murdoch subscription wall to read -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/giving-puberty-...
On the GRA legal reform, see -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-recognit...
The issue isn't left vs right, although some far right actors have jumped on the bandwagon, leading to all those who are gender critical - to use the jargon- being falsely branded as far right by the TRA shouties.
Tuna said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d70h
Worth listening to - The Purity Spiral, dealing with the psychological factors that push community groups to extreme reactions.
The demands by privileged white SJWs to have a book review by a Muslim woman removed sums it upWorth listening to - The Purity Spiral, dealing with the psychological factors that push community groups to extreme reactions.
Breadvan72 said:
Tuna said:
Ah ok. From what little I've seen, there appear to be nutters on both side - both those who demand they can self identify as household objects, and those who are equally convinced that the bits you're born with cannot be overridden. Having worked with a couple of transsexual colleagues (both from the saner end of the gene pool), neither of the extremes recognise the practicalities of day to day existence, and the compromises that need to be made.
That is a false equivalence. The extremism is largely on the trans side. Voices of reason and moderation, including the voices of doctors and scientists, are being shouted down. Anyone who questions the trans orthodoxy is branded a bigot. Some of the TRA activists are, on analysis, men's rights activists attempting to reverse the progress made by feminism and by LGB activism over decades.
As for the issues re children, this is worth going past the Murdoch subscription wall to read -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/giving-puberty-...
On the GRA legal reform, see -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-recognit...
The issue isn't left vs right, although some far right actors have jumped on the bandwagon, leading to all those who are gender critical - to use the jargon- being falsely branded as far right by the TRA shouties.
You claim trans people are silencing everyone including scientists, then link to two times articles published this week one claiming gnrh puberty blockers are untested. (They are very much proven and considered one of the safest drugs available by dr's) and another making claims and links between GRA reform and trans children's medical care. When GRA reform has nothing to do with medical care, it's the complete opposite and is to remove the medical diagnosis from the process, and GRA including a reformed GRA will exclude under 18s.
Silenced they scream from the times, guardian,metro, independent, telegraph,BBC,TV and radio, sky, C4 etc. Anti trans protesters even had someone shouting at and over two women labour party leadership candidates, it was a female pm who introduced the GRA reform on recommendation of a female led wesec enquiry.
The tra's your so fond of dehumanising are normal trans people just trying to live their lives
WinstonWolf said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
chrispmartha said:
daddy cool said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet... what colour will you be buying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51611514?ns_mc...
What’s wrong with that, seems like a good idea?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51611514?ns_mc...
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8.4L 154 said:
(usual mindless woke babble)
I decline to engage with your mindless woke babble. When you have learned how to use reason and evidence, have stopped believing in rainbow unicorn magic, and have started caring about the rights of women, children, and LGB people, come back for a chat. A helpful summary for the non woke.
https://glinner.co.uk/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-s...
Some words from Debbie Hayton, a trans woman who will no doubt be classed as a traitor to the cause of "I am a woman just because I say I am" by our woke friend above, but then he/she is someone who treats as mere nothings sexual assaults on women in prisons by male rapists, and a group assault on a pensioner by men pretending to be women on a female pensioner (recorded on film), because the uppity woman dared to challenge the male orthodoxy that is TRA.
"The inconvenient truth is that transwomen are male, and — as a group — we present the same hazard that men present. Women can no more differentiate nice trans from nasty trans than they can distinguish nice men from nasty men. Allowing us to declare ourselves to be trans and then immediately self-identify into women’s spaces makes the boundaries meaningless. It is a safeguarding nightmare."
Note that, in TRA ideology, it is always women who must give up their rights, their spaces, and even their very identities, and all to placate a small group of males. Funny, that.
https://glinner.co.uk/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-s...
Some words from Debbie Hayton, a trans woman who will no doubt be classed as a traitor to the cause of "I am a woman just because I say I am" by our woke friend above, but then he/she is someone who treats as mere nothings sexual assaults on women in prisons by male rapists, and a group assault on a pensioner by men pretending to be women on a female pensioner (recorded on film), because the uppity woman dared to challenge the male orthodoxy that is TRA.
"The inconvenient truth is that transwomen are male, and — as a group — we present the same hazard that men present. Women can no more differentiate nice trans from nasty trans than they can distinguish nice men from nasty men. Allowing us to declare ourselves to be trans and then immediately self-identify into women’s spaces makes the boundaries meaningless. It is a safeguarding nightmare."
Note that, in TRA ideology, it is always women who must give up their rights, their spaces, and even their very identities, and all to placate a small group of males. Funny, that.
Tuna said:
chrispmartha said:
..., no one is offended, yet we have posters inventing situations where people might be offended just so they can say people are being offended...
When we have people boycotting tea because the wrong person was seen drinking it, you don't need to invent outrage.
Breadvan72 said:
Tuna said:
Ah ok. From what little I've seen, there appear to be nutters on both side - both those who demand they can self identify as household objects, and those who are equally convinced that the bits you're born with cannot be overridden. Having worked with a couple of transsexual colleagues (both from the saner end of the gene pool), neither of the extremes recognise the practicalities of day to day existence, and the compromises that need to be made.
That is a false equivalence. The extremism is largely on the trans side. Voices of reason and moderation, including the voices of doctors and scientists, are being shouted down. Anyone who questions the trans orthodoxy is branded a bigot. Some of the TRA activists are, on analysis, men's rights activists attempting to reverse the progress made by feminism and by LGB activism over decades.
Breadvan72 said:
As for the issues re children, this is worth going past the Murdoch subscription wall to read -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/giving-puberty-...
On the GRA legal reform, see -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-recognit...
The issue isn't left vs right, although some far right actors have jumped on the bandwagon, leading to all those who are gender critical - to use the jargon- being falsely branded as far right by the TRA shouties.
Why are you bringing left and right into it?https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/giving-puberty-...
On the GRA legal reform, see -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-recognit...
The issue isn't left vs right, although some far right actors have jumped on the bandwagon, leading to all those who are gender critical - to use the jargon- being falsely branded as far right by the TRA shouties.
Children are of course a very complicated area. My wife works in a school and we see the changes in attitudes and approaches to gender identity - a lot of this is new ground, and (nearly) all parties are trying to do the best for the children. The lack of experience and long term evidence makes it difficult to define exactly what 'the best' actually is, especially when social groups press hard for their preferred solution.
I mention left v right because some see trans activism as a left wing thing, although when properly analysed it is regressive, not progressive, and because gender critical organisations are sometimes falsely accused of being funded by far right groups..
As for children and teenagers, the rise in trans cases appears to be a case of social contagion (Professor Christakis at Yale, perhaps the world's leading expert on social contagion, thinks so), as happens also with eating disorders, cutting, gluten intolerance, allergies, etc. Most children and teenagers who present with GID recover from it if not given meds and surgery, and many just grow up to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual adults; but some very questionable doctors prefer aggressive medication and surgery. To be blunt, they sterilise children in pursuit of a highly questionable diagnosis, and bogus charities such as Mermaids (still awaiting its Kids Club moment) push this approach in pursuit of an ideology that is profoundly homophobic.
As for children and teenagers, the rise in trans cases appears to be a case of social contagion (Professor Christakis at Yale, perhaps the world's leading expert on social contagion, thinks so), as happens also with eating disorders, cutting, gluten intolerance, allergies, etc. Most children and teenagers who present with GID recover from it if not given meds and surgery, and many just grow up to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual adults; but some very questionable doctors prefer aggressive medication and surgery. To be blunt, they sterilise children in pursuit of a highly questionable diagnosis, and bogus charities such as Mermaids (still awaiting its Kids Club moment) push this approach in pursuit of an ideology that is profoundly homophobic.
Breadvan72 said:
I mention left v right because some see trans activism as a left wing thing, although when properly analysed it is regressive, not progressive, and because gender critical organisations are sometimes falsely accused of being funded by far right groups..
As for children and teenagers, the rise in trans cases appears to be a case of social contagion (Professor Christakis at Yale, perhaps the world's leading expert on social contagion, thinks so), as happens also with eating disorders, cutting, gluten intolerance, allergies, etc. Most children and teenagers who present with GID recover from it if not given meds and surgery, and many just grow up to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual adults; but some very questionable doctors prefer aggressive medication and surgery. To be blunt, they sterilise children in pursuit of a highly questionable diagnosis, and bogus charities such as Mermaids (still awaiting its Kids Club moment) push this approach in pursuit of an ideology that is profoundly homophobic.
Are you Graham Linehan?As for children and teenagers, the rise in trans cases appears to be a case of social contagion (Professor Christakis at Yale, perhaps the world's leading expert on social contagion, thinks so), as happens also with eating disorders, cutting, gluten intolerance, allergies, etc. Most children and teenagers who present with GID recover from it if not given meds and surgery, and many just grow up to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual adults; but some very questionable doctors prefer aggressive medication and surgery. To be blunt, they sterilise children in pursuit of a highly questionable diagnosis, and bogus charities such as Mermaids (still awaiting its Kids Club moment) push this approach in pursuit of an ideology that is profoundly homophobic.
Breadvan72 said:
I mention left v right because some see trans activism as a left wing thing, although when properly analysed it is regressive, not progressive, and because gender critical organisations are sometimes falsely accused of being funded by far right groups..
The fun bit for boring old right wing people like me is watching radical feminists and radical trans-activists lay in to each other. Kissinger's words ('it's a shame they can't both lose') spring to mind.
Johnnytheboy said:
The fun bit for boring old right wing people like me is watching radical feminists and radical trans-activists lay in to each other.
Kissinger's words ('it's a shame they can't both lose') spring to mind.
Tempting to feel that way no doubt, but there are serious issues at stake surrounding safeguarding and I have three young nieces that I must assuredly do not want to get caught up in the crossfire. Kissinger's words ('it's a shame they can't both lose') spring to mind.
Most have a stake in this, like it or not
I agree. The penetration of government by this lobbying group is quite remarkable. It may partly stem from the fact that Stonewall was a credible and respected lobbying group for LGB people, with the ear of Government, but after the fights for gay marriage and GRCs were were won, it had nothing left to justify its government funding. It was then taken over by TRAs, and became a lobbying body for mostly male trans people. Pink News has gone the same way, and is showing itself to have some ugly misogynist positions. Organisations such as LGB Alliance, falsely branded a hate group. are led by reasonable and moderate ex Stonewall campaigners. Mermaids is a bizarre organisation, funded by Starbucks and others. It may be the next Kids Club. There are also serious questions about the ethics of a small but active group of medical practitioners. Fortunately, it appears that the tide may be turning.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18264144.brighton-...
Get of jail card - just claim to be transgender
Get of jail card - just claim to be transgender
rover 623gsi said:
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18264144.brighton-...
Get of jail card - just claim to be transgender
Judge: There is no excuse.........Get of jail card - just claim to be transgender
Same judge (later) Ah you are trans - great excuse, off you go.
The local tabloid reporting makes it hard to see what went on there. This may be gaming the system, and may also be the system being broken. It may be a bit of both. The offender is pre-op. The offender should go to a male prison. I do not know, and at present have no time to look up, the rules on segregation within male prisons.
On the wider issues, here is the Wall Street Journal on the binary nature of sex, and the dangers posed by the extremist trans lobby (our woke bro/sis friend above will put his/her fingers in his/her ears and go la la la).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dangerous-denial-...
On the wider issues, here is the Wall Street Journal on the binary nature of sex, and the dangers posed by the extremist trans lobby (our woke bro/sis friend above will put his/her fingers in his/her ears and go la la la).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dangerous-denial-...
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