13yr old killed in F50
Discussion
number 46 said:
If it had inverted it would have been upside down and both passenger and driven would have not survived.
The driver would have had his legs firmly under the dash, braced against the pedals, and his hands braced on the wheel.A short passenger would have had neither.
The passenger didn't survive.
TooMany2cvs said:
The driver would have had his legs firmly under the dash, braced against the pedals, and his hands braced on the wheel.
A short passenger would have had neither.
The passenger didn't survive.
He was thrown from the car as well. Not sure how much being braced can stop you being thrown from the car, even at a 2g rotation you would be holding back double your body weight?A short passenger would have had neither.
The passenger didn't survive.
Used to be a bloke who did TVR track days in a lovely old, ex-Le Mans Grantura. It was in absolute genuine condition. So it had not seatbelts or harnesses, whatsoever. Driver used to four-wheel drift it beautifully. He used to have to leave a toolbox in the passenger footwell to give (brave) passengers a chance of remaining in their seat under braking.
Gameface said:
So if a car flips everyone automatically dies? 
Eh? No.
However if an open topped car flips over with both occupants not wearing seat belts or crash helmets then they would be extremely lucky to survive. I just do not think that the car flapped over then landed back on its wheels, it would show much more damage if it did. Either way its a very sad episode for everyone.
TooMany2cvs said:
Byker28i said:
I would have thought the more logical explanation is he gave it beans to show off, back end stepped out and he let go of the throttle, causing throttle off oversteer. That would throw the car sideways into the sleeper, which could then have spun on the road missing the second sleeper (hence the dirt/marks) and then would be in the position to go backwards into the fence where it finished. The rotating force probably threw the child from the car. I can't see it flipped.
I considered that - but how did it get onto the grass - then through the fence - then miss the next post - then back through the fence towards the road? There's no continuous lines of tyre mark on the grass, just "punctuation". Look at the direction that first post's lying, together with the directions of the later ones that've been snapped off.Oh, and the broken windscreen.
Those posts wouldn't launch a car?
Two holes shown in the fencing though. Spun in frontwards and came to rest backwards into the fence again?
I didn't say that it was just a spin. The car clearly become either partially or totally airborne at the first post, cleared the rail then landed, spinning backwards into fencing. I can't see that it would be going fast enough on that road to in effect do a 360 roll and land back on its wheels.
To give you an idea of what speed he would need to barrel roll the car: At the end of a FF2000 race on the straight at Silverstone, a fellow compettor hit my rear left wheel which launched his car over the top of me, he did a 360 barrel roll in mid air and landed the right way up on all four wheels on the grass. The car looked a complete wreck. He was fine apart from a very sore back. He was however, strapped in with a 6 point harness and wearing a crash helmet. We were probably doing around 120 mph, an FF2000 weighs about 575 Kgs with a driver in it. The F50 is about 1450 kgs. So he would have to have been going extremely quickly to barrel roll it.
To give you an idea of what speed he would need to barrel roll the car: At the end of a FF2000 race on the straight at Silverstone, a fellow compettor hit my rear left wheel which launched his car over the top of me, he did a 360 barrel roll in mid air and landed the right way up on all four wheels on the grass. The car looked a complete wreck. He was fine apart from a very sore back. He was however, strapped in with a 6 point harness and wearing a crash helmet. We were probably doing around 120 mph, an FF2000 weighs about 575 Kgs with a driver in it. The F50 is about 1450 kgs. So he would have to have been going extremely quickly to barrel roll it.
number 46 said:
I didn't say that it was just a spin. The car clearly become either partially or totally airborne at the first post, cleared the rail then landed, spinning backwards into fencing. I can't see that it would be going fast enough on that road to in effect do a 360 roll and land back on its wheels.
To give you an idea of what speed he would need to barrel roll the car: At the end of a FF2000 race on the straight at Silverstone, a fellow compettor hit my rear left wheel which launched his car over the top of me, he did a 360 barrel roll in mid air and landed the right way up on all four wheels on the grass. The car looked a complete wreck. He was fine apart from a very sore back. He was however, strapped in with a 6 point harness and wearing a crash helmet. We were probably doing around 120 mph, an FF2000 weighs about 575 Kgs with a driver in it. The F50 is about 1450 kgs. So he would have to have been going extremely quickly to barrel roll it.
I disagree. You can roll a car at low speeds if you hit something at the right angle.To give you an idea of what speed he would need to barrel roll the car: At the end of a FF2000 race on the straight at Silverstone, a fellow compettor hit my rear left wheel which launched his car over the top of me, he did a 360 barrel roll in mid air and landed the right way up on all four wheels on the grass. The car looked a complete wreck. He was fine apart from a very sore back. He was however, strapped in with a 6 point harness and wearing a crash helmet. We were probably doing around 120 mph, an FF2000 weighs about 575 Kgs with a driver in it. The F50 is about 1450 kgs. So he would have to have been going extremely quickly to barrel roll it.
Vaud said:
I disagree. You can roll a car at low speeds if you hit something at the right angle.
+1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mUwDPa6na8
Dr Jekyll said:
Yea, drove up a wall and it didn't land back on its wheels, so didn't barrel roll though. The mustang in Diamonds are foerver needed a ramp!!!hyphen said:
If the bloke has his own kid, what good does him being in jail/criminal record affecting future income do? Won't bring the victim back, and his son will be without a dad on top...
You could use the same arguments if he'd done it deliberately. The judge can take all that into account in sentencing but the victims deserve to have the case tried given that he doesn't appear to admit responsibility.Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th February 15:57
The court were told it launched up and rotated 270 degrees which helicoptered over barrel rolled sounds right. The press will be bias and sensationalize the story thats what they do, a child dies in a flash car 99.9% of their readers cant afford so its demonize time. Ive been to the side and from the sharp corner to the crash site isnt a 1/4 mile as people seem to think its literally 10-15 meters im actually quite shocked that much momentum could be gained so quickly. I think it must of been a violent pendulum action of the back end stepping out into a post and rotating clockwise 270 degrees abd through the fence.. how high it was 'airbourne' I wonder if they can tell?
SJK said:
The court were told it launched up and rotated 270 degrees which helicoptered over barrel rolled sounds right. The press will be bias and sensationalize the story thats what they do, a child dies in a flash car 99.9% of their readers cant afford so its demonize time. Ive been to the side and from the sharp corner to the crash site isnt a 1/4 mile as people seem to think its literally 10-15 meters im actually quite shocked that much momentum could be gained so quickly. I think it must of been a violent pendulum action of the back end stepping out into a post and rotating clockwise 270 degrees abd through the fence.. how high it was 'airbourne' I wonder if they can tell?
120m from corner to site of first impact, came to rest 30m further on.
Edited by Sk00p on Tuesday 20th February 13:07
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