13yr old killed in F50
Discussion
TTmonkey said:
broganski said:
It has been reported that the defendant himself owned the car - is this a certainty?
I don't know where you got that from but its not true.broganski said:
TTmonkey said:
broganski said:
It has been reported that the defendant himself owned the car - is this a certainty?
I don't know where you got that from but its not true.Nice to see a varied response to this story for once as opposed to the usual PH witch hunt, albeit a few inappropriate comments.
I think the thing for me is what he did was absolutely riddled with stupidity, and carelessness (possible spur of the moment), but not malice. For that reason I would agree that a prison sentence is not going to do a whole lot other than probably ruin a few more lives.
Mirroring what many others have said, the guy has got to live with this for the rest of his life. Thats worse than any incarceration.
I think the thing for me is what he did was absolutely riddled with stupidity, and carelessness (possible spur of the moment), but not malice. For that reason I would agree that a prison sentence is not going to do a whole lot other than probably ruin a few more lives.
Mirroring what many others have said, the guy has got to live with this for the rest of his life. Thats worse than any incarceration.
broganski said:
TTmonkey said:
broganski said:
It has been reported that the defendant himself owned the car - is this a certainty?
I don't know where you got that from but its not true.Later in that very article...
Local rag said:
(The prosecution barrister) explained that the owner of the car had spent £50,000 servicing and refurbishing the vehicle with the intention of selling it.
JJ England said:
Yes. I do.
What a jury will make of it I do not know.
What is the probability of a car doing this in general? Very very low I'd guess, or we'd have heard more reports of it. What is the probability of a car doing this, AND been fine again in the post-crash inspection? A lot lower again. I'd guess probably less than 0.0001%. Compare that with the probability of a person wanting to give the boy a quick thrill. I think he has to be found guilty unless something else comes to light during the case.What a jury will make of it I do not know.
broganski said:
"A 39-year-old Walton man caused a teenager's death by losing control of his high-performance Ferrari, a court has heard" excerpt from https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/walto...
Crap reporting.NRS said:
He will however have to be found guilty of not insuring the belts were applied. What level of punishment he will get when I child has died because of this I don't know.
I'm surprised there no security camera footage. If I was storing million quid cars down at this farm I'd want all angles covered by cameras.
TTmonkey said:
I'm surprised there no security camera footage. If I was storing million quid cars down at this farm I'd want all angles covered by cameras.
There was footage from outside the unit, but where the accident happened is an access road, so why have cameras there?The unit is (was until this case) quite anonymous with no signage from the road or on the unit itself, so they obviously didn't consider a need for more cameras than they already had at the unit itself.
TTmonkey said:
I think he will be found not guilty due to lack of evidence that he did something wrong. Unless there's a witness that says he roared of from the yard with the tyres screeching long before he reached the crash scene,. the jury could say "well what if the car has a fault that only occurred at that time?"
A single vehicle accident is pretty good evidence that he did something 'wrong' within the definition of careless driving, especially when no fault was found with the car. If there was evidence of screeching tyres etc it would probably have been a dangerous driving charge.TTmonkey said:
I think he will be found not guilty due to lack of evidence that he did something wrong. Unless there's a witness that says he roared of from the yard with the tyres screeching long before he reached the crash scene,. the jury could say "well what if the car has a fault that only occurred at that time?"
He will however have to be found guilty of not insuring the belts were applied. What level of punishment he will get when I child has died because of this I don't know.
I'm surprised there no security camera footage. If I was storing million quid cars down at this farm I'd want all angles covered by cameras.
On the description it seems to be there was a sound that made the people in the yard look at around 3 seconds before the car was launched into the air (as shown by lights captured on the CCTV footage). That to me would suggest revving (foot to the floor/the car accelerating due to mechanical fault) and/or tyres skreeching if he entered a slide. I'd guess if there was tyre marks from sliding the rear these would have been mentioned before though.He will however have to be found guilty of not insuring the belts were applied. What level of punishment he will get when I child has died because of this I don't know.
I'm surprised there no security camera footage. If I was storing million quid cars down at this farm I'd want all angles covered by cameras.
The thing likelihood of a car taking off for no reason in general is tiny - even more so when inspected afterwards. Good on him taking the person out a ride - I had it when younger and loved it. But it does seem like he got it wrong, and that's why you need to do it in a safe place - not a narrow lane. Or accept responsibility of careless driving. (Again, assuming no new info later or that is not reported yet).
Independent Expert defence witness claims half the cylinders of the F50 were not firing prior to the crash, and that it was likely that the other six fired into life launching the car uncontrollably.....
Independent defence opinion was refuted by actual Ferrari expert from Maranello, who said there was no physical evidence that supports what the independent expert has said.
Is the F50 designed to run on half the cyclinders? I know some cars are. Is it possible for it to run on half cyclinders? No if it is, would a driver notice?
Independent defence opinion was refuted by actual Ferrari expert from Maranello, who said there was no physical evidence that supports what the independent expert has said.
Is the F50 designed to run on half the cyclinders? I know some cars are. Is it possible for it to run on half cyclinders? No if it is, would a driver notice?
TTmonkey said:
Independent Expert defence witness claims half the cylinders of the F50 were not firing prior to the crash, and that it was likely that the other six fired into life launching the car uncontrollably.....
Independent defence opinion was refuted by actual Ferrari expert from Maranello, who said there was no physical evidence that supports what the independent expert has said.
Is the F50 designed to run on half the cyclinders? I know some cars are. Is it possible for it to run on half cyclinders? No if it is, would a driver notice?
What does he base that claim on? That wasn't in the earlier expert witness link. So it was running on one bank when he left the unit, then the other bank worked just as he was accelerating prior to the crash ....Hmmme.... It would have sounded pretty rough if it was only running on one bank, surely he would have stopped to see what was wrong?? Independent defence opinion was refuted by actual Ferrari expert from Maranello, who said there was no physical evidence that supports what the independent expert has said.
Is the F50 designed to run on half the cyclinders? I know some cars are. Is it possible for it to run on half cyclinders? No if it is, would a driver notice?
It may well run on one bank only, my 456 actually has two ecu's, one for each bank, but it will also run on just one ecu if the other is faulty. The original alarm in my car was faulty and would only stop one bank from running, this meant that you could actually start the car and it would run on 6 cylinders, it sounded very rough though, so I doubt very much that he would drive off with the F50 just running on only 6 cylinders.
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