13yr old killed in F50
Discussion
fblm said:
NDA said:
So I am really so delighted that you remembered.
Good advice. Of course I forgot I had it on and killed the engine bringing the fenders in... and chucking them out again! Amateur!Various topics on PH have certainly giving me to be a bit more careful doing some things when perhaps I may have not been so careful. Keep up the good work chaps.
poo at Paul's said:
Don't take this the wrong way, genuine question. Do you need a licence for your boating activities and if so, does an incident like you had get reported. If so, can they, did they, remove your licence, or fine you etc, for the incident / error?
It seems to me that whether a boat circles around and hits the driver / passenger, or speeds off at 48 knots into the wide blue yonder, it's a fairly dangerous situation, and one that should not neccessarily just be one of them brown sppeedo moments, get boat back and sale / drive home.
May have missed it, but where did your boat end up? How did it get recovered? Was someone still onboard?
No you don't need any license to have a boat - although you should, for the sake of the souls on board, take an RYA exam. But this is not compulsory. You should also take an exam to operate a marine VHF too. Accidents such as mine don't need to be reported to anyone - so there's no fine. It seems to me that whether a boat circles around and hits the driver / passenger, or speeds off at 48 knots into the wide blue yonder, it's a fairly dangerous situation, and one that should not neccessarily just be one of them brown sppeedo moments, get boat back and sale / drive home.
May have missed it, but where did your boat end up? How did it get recovered? Was someone still onboard?
The two friends on board were not thrown out (thank God) and weren't immediately aware that I had gone overboard. So they slowed the boat and then spent quite a while looking for me in the water.
Had my friends also been ejected, it is likely we would have all been killed. The loss of a beautiful Breguet watch and my dislocated shoulder pale into insignificance when considering the other possible consequences.
I sold my boat after my friend was killed in a very similar accident.
I am glad to read of at least one PH'er (above) who is now less forgetful about the kill cord because of my sorry tale.
BBenzzz said:
Penelope would you please just p
s off and stop trying to catch people out, or whatever you are doing.. We all have brains, we all know what a seatbelt is and why it is there. It is the duty of the person in control of the car (or boat, or whatever) to make sure that passengers are safe, as well as themselves, so if you aren’t capable of that duty then please kindly get rid of your car or your trycicle (whatever you ride at your apparent age) and go play in a nice soft sandpit or something.
Did you really take the time to type that - How moronics off and stop trying to catch people out, or whatever you are doing.. We all have brains, we all know what a seatbelt is and why it is there. It is the duty of the person in control of the car (or boat, or whatever) to make sure that passengers are safe, as well as themselves, so if you aren’t capable of that duty then please kindly get rid of your car or your trycicle (whatever you ride at your apparent age) and go play in a nice soft sandpit or something.poo at Paul's said:
Do you mean if they had been thrown out you'd have all drowned as the boat would have fked off at 48 knots, leaving you in the middle of the drink, or did it have lock on so it would circle round and hit you like in the other tragic case?
The rotation of the prop causes torque steer - where the engine gradually turns to one side. So the boat will start to circle in increasingly tight circles, hitting people in the water. It doesn't need any lock on to do this - the power of the engine will move it to one side.ked off at 48 knots, leaving you in the middle of the drink, or did it have lock on so it would circle round and hit you like in the other tragic case? NDA said:
The rotation of the prop causes torque steer - where the engine gradually turns to one side. So the boat will start to circle in increasingly tight circles, hitting people in the water. It doesn't need any lock on to do this - the power of the engine will move it to one side.
Which, of course, is why twin-engine boats have them rotating in opposite directions.schmunk said:
dangerousB said:
NDA said:
I managed to throw myself out of my boat a few years ago at high speed - leaving my 2 passengers without a driver . . . the following year, one of my best friends did something very similar - he was killed, his 8 year old daughter killed and his wife lost a leg
Both incidents sound awful and I don't mean to point a finger at you or your mate, but that reads to me like neither of you were using a killcord.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/10/pa...
As to the comments about folk forgetting their seatbelts, utter b
ks. It is a muscle memory action if you do it every single time you get in a car. A bit like every time you ride a motorbike you don't just forget to put your helmet on.NDA you have said how lucky you were and thankfully nothing happened but had it happened I am sure you'd agree to the fallout htat would have occurred. That widow has physically and emotionally suffered but there is absolutely no excuse for what happened to have happened.
George Smiley said:
NDA you have said how lucky you were and thankfully nothing happened but had it happened I am sure you'd agree to the fallout htat would have occurred. That widow has physically and emotionally suffered but there is absolutely no excuse for what happened to have happened.
It was an accident. A moment of forgetfulness. His widow was at the wheel as it happens.Yes, it has been life changing for everyone and we all wish we could rewind events. In my case, had a friend been killed? I can't bear to think about it - it's why I sold my boat. I feel incredibly lucky and utterly guilty. I'd had friends kids on my boat too....
I will often contribute to this sort of thread because I would hope someone might change their habits (and someone has) and also realise that intelligent, responsible people can unwittingly forget to do something with catastrophic consequences.
I miss my friend every day.
I deal with assessing risk on a daily basis associated with construction activities, there does appear to be significant number of people involved in activities where should a very low probability event occur there will be far reaching consequences.
We did some training recently on process safety which was an eye opener to a lot of my colleagues.
I can relate to the sailing/powerboat story above a lot, a sailor myself who has done 4 transatlantics and lots of coastal miles my lasting impression of a misguided decision was going forward of the mast on a Volvo 60 in the North Atlantic, Jan 2000, it was windy F10-11 massive seas. A halyard holding the J4 sail (head sail) had snapped and dumped the sail over the side.
The helm has pressed a foot operated alarm, which has raised us from our beds (we had just gone off watch), a quick discussion through the hatch informed us of the problem. So like idiots that we were at 22 years old, 3 of us rushed forward in only leggings, no shoes, harnesses or lift jackets. Only a few sail ties.
5 mins later we had retrieved the sail, ties it to the guard rail, attached a new halyard and retired to the cockpit to get on the grinders to re-hoist. That was after we had all been washed down the deck and clung on to guardrail posts and pulled ourselves back onto to deck.
As you can imagine the skipper (Paul Jeffes ex BT Global Challenge) wasn't that impressed and reminded us he would rather not have to email our parents if we were MOB.
It certainly made me think shivering in the cockpit as the boat stretched her legs and shot off a wave into the dark. Our actions that day could have been fatal for ourselves, but you live and learn.
Did I always wear a life jacket and harness afterwards? Not always but always at night, on my own or when the sea was anything apart from flat calm. Our family yacht is sold now so not something I need to worry about.
We did some training recently on process safety which was an eye opener to a lot of my colleagues.
I can relate to the sailing/powerboat story above a lot, a sailor myself who has done 4 transatlantics and lots of coastal miles my lasting impression of a misguided decision was going forward of the mast on a Volvo 60 in the North Atlantic, Jan 2000, it was windy F10-11 massive seas. A halyard holding the J4 sail (head sail) had snapped and dumped the sail over the side.
The helm has pressed a foot operated alarm, which has raised us from our beds (we had just gone off watch), a quick discussion through the hatch informed us of the problem. So like idiots that we were at 22 years old, 3 of us rushed forward in only leggings, no shoes, harnesses or lift jackets. Only a few sail ties.
5 mins later we had retrieved the sail, ties it to the guard rail, attached a new halyard and retired to the cockpit to get on the grinders to re-hoist. That was after we had all been washed down the deck and clung on to guardrail posts and pulled ourselves back onto to deck.
As you can imagine the skipper (Paul Jeffes ex BT Global Challenge) wasn't that impressed and reminded us he would rather not have to email our parents if we were MOB.
It certainly made me think shivering in the cockpit as the boat stretched her legs and shot off a wave into the dark. Our actions that day could have been fatal for ourselves, but you live and learn.
Did I always wear a life jacket and harness afterwards? Not always but always at night, on my own or when the sea was anything apart from flat calm. Our family yacht is sold now so not something I need to worry about.
NDA said:
George Smiley said:
NDA you have said how lucky you were and thankfully nothing happened but had it happened I am sure you'd agree to the fallout htat would have occurred. That widow has physically and emotionally suffered but there is absolutely no excuse for what happened to have happened.
It was an accident. A moment of forgetfulness. His widow was at the wheel as it happens.Yes, it has been life changing for everyone and we all wish we could rewind events. In my case, had a friend been killed? I can't bear to think about it - it's why I sold my boat. I feel incredibly lucky and utterly guilty. I'd had friends kids on my boat too....
I will often contribute to this sort of thread because I would hope someone might change their habits (and someone has) and also realise that intelligent, responsible people can unwittingly forget to do something with catastrophic consequences.
I miss my friend every day.
I'm also glad that you can use both yours and your friends story to help others, mankind progresses on the success and learning of failings of others.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
I really don't think that little tirade was neccesarry.
Why not? It isn't an elephant in the room that cannot be spoken about just because it was a members friend. His wife and the dead father have paid a heavy price but had they parked their car up on a slip way or driven a teenager without a seatbelt and a thread posted, they deserve to have their action called out.I'm sorry you disagree but as you are allowed to disagree I am allowed to air my view even if it does seem a little harsh.
ALawson said:
I deal with assessing risk on a daily basis associated with construction activities, there does appear to be significant number of people involved in activities where should a very low probability event occur there will be far reaching consequences.
We did some training recently on process safety which was an eye opener to a lot of my colleagues.
I can relate to the sailing/powerboat story above a lot, a sailor myself who has done 4 transatlantics and lots of coastal miles my lasting impression of a misguided decision was going forward of the mast on a Volvo 60 in the North Atlantic, Jan 2000, it was windy F10-11 massive seas. A halyard holding the J4 sail (head sail) had snapped and dumped the sail over the side.
The helm has pressed a foot operated alarm, which has raised us from our beds (we had just gone off watch), a quick discussion through the hatch informed us of the problem. So like idiots that we were at 22 years old, 3 of us rushed forward in only leggings, no shoes, harnesses or lift jackets. Only a few sail ties.
5 mins later we had retrieved the sail, ties it to the guard rail, attached a new halyard and retired to the cockpit to get on the grinders to re-hoist. That was after we had all been washed down the deck and clung on to guardrail posts and pulled ourselves back onto to deck.
As you can imagine the skipper (Paul Jeffes ex BT Global Challenge) wasn't that impressed and reminded us he would rather not have to email our parents if we were MOB.
It certainly made me think shivering in the cockpit as the boat stretched her legs and shot off a wave into the dark. Our actions that day could have been fatal for ourselves, but you live and learn.
Did I always wear a life jacket and harness afterwards? Not always but always at night, on my own or when the sea was anything apart from flat calm. Our family yacht is sold now so not something I need to worry about.
Great post. I think anyone who sails offshore can relate to that. It's only in the cold light of day that you realise how daft you have been sometimes. We did some training recently on process safety which was an eye opener to a lot of my colleagues.
I can relate to the sailing/powerboat story above a lot, a sailor myself who has done 4 transatlantics and lots of coastal miles my lasting impression of a misguided decision was going forward of the mast on a Volvo 60 in the North Atlantic, Jan 2000, it was windy F10-11 massive seas. A halyard holding the J4 sail (head sail) had snapped and dumped the sail over the side.
The helm has pressed a foot operated alarm, which has raised us from our beds (we had just gone off watch), a quick discussion through the hatch informed us of the problem. So like idiots that we were at 22 years old, 3 of us rushed forward in only leggings, no shoes, harnesses or lift jackets. Only a few sail ties.
5 mins later we had retrieved the sail, ties it to the guard rail, attached a new halyard and retired to the cockpit to get on the grinders to re-hoist. That was after we had all been washed down the deck and clung on to guardrail posts and pulled ourselves back onto to deck.
As you can imagine the skipper (Paul Jeffes ex BT Global Challenge) wasn't that impressed and reminded us he would rather not have to email our parents if we were MOB.
It certainly made me think shivering in the cockpit as the boat stretched her legs and shot off a wave into the dark. Our actions that day could have been fatal for ourselves, but you live and learn.
Did I always wear a life jacket and harness afterwards? Not always but always at night, on my own or when the sea was anything apart from flat calm. Our family yacht is sold now so not something I need to worry about.
I have posted before about how close our entire yacht and crew nearly became matchwood in the Irish Sea one night.
We are all here today and tbh only myself and one other person know just how close it was, but it could have been different had the final piece of luck ran out.
agtlaw said:
Here’s another prediction: 16 months.
Close enough!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-435...
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Are you actually serious?The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
You're right - it is a joke. It should have been MUCH longer.
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