Politics in France

[anonymous-user]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Globs said:

We got saturation coverage about Trump because he might have been a bad man, but since illegally attacking Syria and threatening to nuke Korea the media has seen his gentle side and become far less negative about him.

France on the other hand is miles away so it's not really worth reporting on, particularly as the warm and fluffy Macron is now in charge to give those French people More Of The Same, because lets face it - they loved what Soros/Hollande did with the country.

I'm thinking of retiring to Paris because it's a bit dull in England, there so much more in our multicultural neighbour to see and do,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKp92wf1QDU

Thank-you France, for keeping the fires going and keeping it real.

Indeed, Macron is a Europhhile/globalist/'useful infidel', like Obama, he won't be doing much in the interests of the people that elected him.

It is strange how the supposed smart people are too dumb to realise that a supranational/global socialist government is being installed by stealth, and the Islamification of W.Europe etc. is deliberate policy to destroy national boundaries and identity.

We can rattle on all day how good or bad Macron will be unfortunately he was up against a fascist in the election so he was the lesser of the two evils, that's why he won.
If France want to leave the EU they need someone like David Davies or a Boris to be their flag bearer not a fascist.

[berlintaxi]

Raygun said:

If France want to leave the EU they need someone like David Davies or a Boris to be their flag bearer not a fascist.

No one needs that pair of self serving aholes.

[anonymous-user]

berlintaxi said:

Raygun said:

If France want to leave the EU they need someone like David Davies or a Boris to be their flag bearer not a fascist.

No one needs that pair of self serving aholes.

Why are they aholes? Would you rather have a fascist?

[berlintaxi]

Raygun said:

berlintaxi said:

Raygun said:

If France want to leave the EU they need someone like David Davies or a Boris to be their flag bearer not a fascist.

No one needs that pair of self serving aholes.

Why are they aholes? Would you rather have a fascist?

I would not want Le Pen or her party, however name me anything either of those 2 have done which has not been in the interests of furthering their own political careers whilst shafting someone else.

[turbobloke]

berlintaxi said:

Raygun said:

berlintaxi said:

Raygun said:

If France want to leave the EU they need someone like David Davies or a Boris to be their flag bearer not a fascist.

No one needs that pair of self serving aholes.

Why are they aholes? Would you rather have a fascist?

I would not want Le Pen or her party, however name me anything either of those 2 have done which has not been in the interests of furthering their own political careers whilst shafting someone else.

Like Blair and Corbyn and pretty much every working politician.

The attribute you cited isn't limited to BoJo and DD. As it happens only a jaundiced view would claim they're any worse than the rest.

Gorbals Mick as the Labour sourced former Mister Speaker said:

I didn't come into politics not to take what's owed to me.

And the rest.

[Murph7355]

desolate said:

Murph7355 said:

Out of interest, why not therefore simply show a chart of economic attainment against voting characteristics?

I think you can get the data split by "socio-economic class" as well but I am not sure that is quite as simple as "how much money have you earned"

I can't see it being any more difficult than higher education qualifications attained.

And if the true intent of such charts is to demonstrate that those who have done better out of a given situation vote a certain way, it would be significantly more accurate. Educational qualifications barely touch the sides....

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

I can't see it being any more difficult than higher education qualifications attained.

And if the true intent of such charts is to demonstrate that those who have done better out of a given situation vote a certain way, it would be significantly more accurate. Educational qualifications barely touch the sides....

This seems to show what you are looking for.

In essence shows that support for all parties except Conservative falls as household income increases.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-elect...

[turbobloke]

desolate said:

Murph7355 said:

I can't see it being any more difficult than higher education qualifications attained.

And if the true intent of such charts is to demonstrate that those who have done better out of a given situation vote a certain way, it would be significantly more accurate. Educational qualifications barely touch the sides....

This seems to show what you are looking for.

In essence shows that support for all parties except Conservative falls as household income increases.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-elect...

That needed a survey?!

It's been known since the first hammer was placed near the first sickle that a true red-blooded socialist has nothing and wants to share it with everyone else.

If you've worked hard. smart and taken considered risks to do your best for yourself and your family the idea of handing over 50% or more to be wasted by incompetent politicians is not particularly welcome - but it's recognised that a more reasonable contribution is needed, of course.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

That needed a survey?!

The poster Murph seemed to think so.

[Globs]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Indeed, Macron is a Europhhile/globalist/'useful infidel', like Obama, he won't be doing much in the interests of the people that elected him.

It is strange how the supposed smart people are too dumb to realise that a supranational/global socialist government is being installed by stealth, and the Islamification of W.Europe etc. is deliberate policy to destroy national boundaries and identity.

I was thinking 'are the French really that stupid' and may have found the answer:

http://www.businessinsider.com/le-pen-claims-ballo...

Article said:

The Le Pen campaign told the commission on Friday night that electoral administrators in several regions, including in Ardeche, Savoie, and the Loire, had found Le Pen ballots that had been "systematically torn up," the AP writes.

[Murph7355]

desolate said:

The poster Murph seemed to think so.

Nope. You're missing why I was posting what I did.

It was in response to the notion that showing charts of higher education attainment against whether someone voted Remain or for Macron etc was for anything other than insinuating those people were more intelligent.

However... Whilst party voting patterns in multi-issue votes may all but be taken for granted in the context you note, I'm not convinced the same necessarily holds for single issue referenda.

If the FT had published the French equivalent of the chart you linked to, jj/ATG would have a point...

[jjlynn27]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Indeed, Macron is a Europhhile/globalist/'useful infidel', like Obama, he won't be doing much in the interests of the people that elected him.

It is strange how the supposed smart people are too dumb to realise that a supranational/global socialist government is being installed by stealth, and the Islamification of W.Europe etc. is deliberate policy to destroy national boundaries and identity.

It's not strange at all that you'd come up with something like that. 'Supranational/global socialist government'. Those Priory shares look like a better idea every time I read np&e.

[jjlynn27]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/09/marion-...

[scherzkeks]

Globs said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Indeed, Macron is a Europhhile/globalist/'useful infidel', like Obama, he won't be doing much in the interests of the people that elected him.

It is strange how the supposed smart people are too dumb to realise that a supranational/global socialist government is being installed by stealth, and the Islamification of W.Europe etc. is deliberate policy to destroy national boundaries and identity.

I was thinking 'are the French really that stupid' and may have found the answer:

http://www.businessinsider.com/le-pen-claims-ballo...

Article said:

The Le Pen campaign told the commission on Friday night that electoral administrators in several regions, including in Ardeche, Savoie, and the Loire, had found Le Pen ballots that had been "systematically torn up," the AP writes.

There were a few videos floating around out there, too.

[Digga]

There is a very interesting discussion beginning within Germany about the implications of the Macron win and the old tensions of financial probity (and austerity) versus lax policy and stimulus are being stirred up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-0...

One thing I know about German politics is that inflation is still feared as the ghost that ushered in most of the nation's woes in the last century.

[turbobloke]

desolate said:

turbobloke said:

That needed a survey?!

The poster Murph seemed to think so.

Can't agree with that.

The poster Murph seemed to think that a citation would be helpful for that particular post on this particular thread.

The pollsters seened to think it needed a survey.

Which then offered a reference for the post.

HTH

[Digga]

turbobloke said:

The pollsters seened to think it needed a survey.

Pollsters gotta poll. How else to they (continue) to con people into thinking they're useful?

[turbobloke]

Digga said:

turbobloke said:

The pollsters seened to think it needed a survey.

Pollsters gotta poll. How else to they (continue) to con people into thinking they're useful?

Absolutely.

They're still fair game.

[Countdown]

Mr GrimNasty said:

It is strange how the supposed smart people are too dumb to realise that a supranational/global socialist government is being installed by stealth, and the Islamification of W.Europe etc. is deliberate policy to destroy national boundaries and identity.

Would you class people who believe there's a deliberate policy of the "Islamification of Western Europe" as "supposedly smart" or "gibbering loons"?

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

One thing I know about German politics is that inflation is still feared as the ghost that ushered in most of the nation's woes in the last century.

Which is a completely bogus fear, because the massive inflation they suffered post WW1 was a deliberate policy by Germany to screw the French over, so they didn't pay reparations worth a damn. Within no time those reparation payments were valueless.

It hurt the German people significantly short term, especially those with savings, which led to the rise of Hitler, but it they hadn't of gone down that path and instead elected a sane chancellor it would have been far less damaging to Germany than decades of austerity which would have been required without enormous inflation.

The problem now is everyone bought into the fallacy that the woes of Germany were because of inflation, so they have this irrational fear of what would be a normal inflationary position. This has led to what we have now, which is in real terms deflation, so people cant inflate their way out of debt. That's OK for the Germans because they don't do debt, but its not OK for the rest of the Eurozone countries.