Notting Hill Carnival crime fest.
Discussion
AC43 said:
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
FFS, this place lately.I'm on your side, I've been many times and think the negatives of carnival are overstated. However, how the f
k is people highlighting their concerns about the crime levels over the carnival weekend racist?We're f
ked, don't dare have a fking opinion on anything that might involve somebody who looks ever so slightly different form you cos that's, you know, racism.
AC43 said:
Sorry, it just every year we get all this knee-jerk stuff and it's all a bit tiresome. I've been hearing it since 1989.
It tends to be from people who (i) have never been or (ii) have got a pile of cash and have just moved in and are trying to stop it.
None of whom seem to want to join in.
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
I don't think the Police Officers trying to hold some stabbed youths guts in or containing the violence are thinking about Brexit. They're just cleaning up the mess working 20hr days, because people are too scared to address the massive issues that exist.It tends to be from people who (i) have never been or (ii) have got a pile of cash and have just moved in and are trying to stop it.
None of whom seem to want to join in.
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
craigjm said:
croyde said:
What is the arrest record for Glastonbury or Reading festivals?
167 arrests at Glastonbury this year. In terms of visitors NHC is 11 times larger each day and dont forget everyone is searched going into Glastonbury.If they want to make it "safer". Move it to Hyde Park and make it a ticketed event even if the tickets are free.
Einion Yrth said:
Elroy Blue said:
The final arrest total for just yesterday was 156. 88 so far today and another 26 knives seized. Crazy
Just trying to get my mind behind this; any idea as to attendance figures? It's sort of important if I'm to try and judge the "criminality quotient" of the event. I do appreciate that if you're the people on the ground trying to police it, it's a tad less relevant.
Elroy Blue said:
I don't think the Police Officers trying to hold some stabbed youths guts in or containing the violence are thinking about Brexit. They're just cleaning up the mess working 20hr days, because people are too scared to address the massive issues that exist.
I should be interested to hear their views as to how the situation might be addressed, while at the same time realising that poking heads above parapets would tend to be a career limiting move.br d said:
AC43 said:
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
FFS, this place lately.I'm on your side, I've been many times and think the negatives of carnival are overstated. However, how the f
k is people highlighting their concerns about the crime levels over the carnival weekend racist?We're f
ked, don't dare have a fking opinion on anything that might involve somebody who looks ever so slightly different form you cos that's, you know, racism.But also the whole Brexit thing has also got my goat a bit - for example my BIL was somewhere up north just before Brexit and some mouth breathers were having a go at him because "Londoners" had voted for a "Muslim Mayor".
Anyway I shouldn't conflate the two.
AC43 said:
br d said:
AC43 said:
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
FFS, this place lately.I'm on your side, I've been many times and think the negatives of carnival are overstated. However, how the f
k is people highlighting their concerns about the crime levels over the carnival weekend racist?We're f
ked, don't dare have a fking opinion on anything that might involve somebody who looks ever so slightly different form you cos that's, you know, racism.But also the whole Brexit thing has also got my goat a bit - for example my BIL was somewhere up north just before Brexit and some mouth breathers were having a go at him because "Londoners" had voted for a "Muslim Mayor".
Anyway I shouldn't conflate the two.
It just pisses me off in general lately how debate can be stifled by a snide remark (not aiming that at you). If someone is being racist they need reporting and banning but that doesn't excuse the agitprop crap that I constantly see on these forums from people looking to shut down discourse that doesn't conform to their world view. It's infantile and sinister.
hajaba123 said:
Does anyone know if the tolerance to arrest is generally at a higher level on the ground? Ie people get away with things that they would be arrested for in a normal situation but a blind eye is turned because carnival?
Yep big time, also the area of what is classed as the carnival is tiny.Literally a few feet off the route is not classed as carnival so will not be included in the figures. If everyone was arrested as per normal procedure there would be no officers left by less than half way through the day.
The other year one of the police rest areas was next to a music stage with several hundred people openly smoking cannabis amongst other drugs. The entire police presence in that area there could have been tied up there.
Normally naive middle class people turn up as its trendy then realise its rubbish. The normal questions are.
1 Is this it.
2 Where are the toilets
3 How do we get away.
Remember going to the Trinidad carnival, 2nd biggest in the world and the night before i arrived 14 people were murdered. either shot or hacked to death with machetes!during the day it was an amazing event but at night our family members living on the island advised us to head back to Tobago as the gang members would come out, and the general crowd had been drinking rum and beer all day
Problem is with carnivals like this is they draw rival gangs together, and its Caribbean tradition to drink as much as you can until you pass out (thankfully ours is not 24 hours a day like Trinidad) sadly a very small percentage take it that one step too far, and London will always have a gang problem with carnival being an event most members will attend
Problem is with carnivals like this is they draw rival gangs together, and its Caribbean tradition to drink as much as you can until you pass out (thankfully ours is not 24 hours a day like Trinidad) sadly a very small percentage take it that one step too far, and London will always have a gang problem with carnival being an event most members will attend
br d said:
AC43 said:
br d said:
AC43 said:
The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.
FFS, this place lately.I'm on your side, I've been many times and think the negatives of carnival are overstated. However, how the f
k is people highlighting their concerns about the crime levels over the carnival weekend racist?We're f
ked, don't dare have a fking opinion on anything that might involve somebody who looks ever so slightly different form you cos that's, you know, racism.But also the whole Brexit thing has also got my goat a bit - for example my BIL was somewhere up north just before Brexit and some mouth breathers were having a go at him because "Londoners" had voted for a "Muslim Mayor".
Anyway I shouldn't conflate the two.
It just pisses me off in general lately how debate can be stifled by a snide remark (not aiming that at you). If someone is being racist they need reporting and banning but that doesn't excuse the agitprop crap that I constantly see on these forums from people looking to shut down discourse that doesn't conform to their world view. It's infantile and sinister.
There's plenty about carnival that I don't like but much more that I do. But it has plenty of enemies and I suppose I end up over-defending it.
I mean, it's remarkable that we can turn over a huge part of a major city to out and out fun.
Turquoise said:
Did that happen this year?
Multiple stabbings again. As for sensationalist first post. It was quoting facts. As a Police Officer I am getting first hand views from the front.
No idea what the pathetic attempt to somehow bring Brexit into the thread was supposed to achieve
To those posting that residents should know about the carnival if they live in the area bear this in mind - when I lived in Ledbury Road in the late 70s the route didn't spread far from Portobello Road to the west, nor did it come past my house or the end of my road, Westbourne Grove. I could even park outside my house - after 10 minutes convincing BiB I lived there. These days the route's expanded way outside its original so how would one have known when they moved in?
I also grew up in Westbourne Peark Villas. It was a quiet road but now - closed to traffic and even Royal Oak station is exit only.
The whole area becomes a big mess during Carnival. should deffo move to Hyde Park - a lot more plesant surroundings too
I also grew up in Westbourne Peark Villas. It was a quiet road but now - closed to traffic and even Royal Oak station is exit only.
The whole area becomes a big mess during Carnival. should deffo move to Hyde Park - a lot more plesant surroundings too
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...of a feather by pupp777, on FlickrIs this the event? Doesn't sound like the one I photographed...
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