Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
Kermit power said:
loafer123 said:
Kermit power said:
Mobile Chicane said:
If ever there were a time to vote Labour it's now
"I’d rather live with Jeremy Corbyn’s gentle dithering in pursuit of a better world than give May a mandate to destroy what remains of British decency."
I couldn't agree more.
The Tories are eviscerating our public services, and will continue to do so. Record numbers of homeless, food bank usage, the demonisation of sick and disabled people while handing huge sums of money to private assessment companies only for 60% of their decisions to be overturned on appeal, the NHS and emergency services in crisis.
Britain we can do better than this.
I've done well in life but some things aren't about 'me'. I'm voting Labour for the junior doctor, the midwife, the cleaner, white van man, anyone in temporary insecure employment or needing the care they're not currently getting.
Companies can and should pay their due. Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
Surely not serious????"I’d rather live with Jeremy Corbyn’s gentle dithering in pursuit of a better world than give May a mandate to destroy what remains of British decency."
I couldn't agree more.
The Tories are eviscerating our public services, and will continue to do so. Record numbers of homeless, food bank usage, the demonisation of sick and disabled people while handing huge sums of money to private assessment companies only for 60% of their decisions to be overturned on appeal, the NHS and emergency services in crisis.
Britain we can do better than this.
I've done well in life but some things aren't about 'me'. I'm voting Labour for the junior doctor, the midwife, the cleaner, white van man, anyone in temporary insecure employment or needing the care they're not currently getting.
Companies can and should pay their due. Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
Has Jawknee hacked your login?
I could comment on things like 'I've done well in life' what was the political landscape like. Or, well, your wealth when you die will all go to the treasury if Jezza has a say. Or we could all be speaking Russian anyway after Putin marches across Europe safe in the knowledge Jezza won't have an army or do a think about any foreign aggressor.
Mobile Chicane said:
If ever there were a time to vote Labour it's now
I've done well in life but some things aren't about 'me'. I'm voting Labour for the junior doctor, the midwife, the cleaner, white van man, anyone in temporary insecure employment or needing the care they're not currently getting.
Companies can and should pay their due. Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
My wife is a midwife. She works hard and is paid quite a bit more than 26k, 30 days holiday and has a great pension. A midwife with a few years service gets about £35k before unsociable hours. I've done well in life but some things aren't about 'me'. I'm voting Labour for the junior doctor, the midwife, the cleaner, white van man, anyone in temporary insecure employment or needing the care they're not currently getting.
Companies can and should pay their due. Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
Shes doesnt whinge about per pay, but does about staff morale, lack of organisation at work, maladministration and that management dont back up staff. More pay wont solve those issues.
In fact, we are part of the squeezed middle. So when Jezza realises he cant get more out of the rich (history has taught this,) us in the middle will have to give my wifes extra pay from Jezza back to his government. Not really worth having the pay rise then!. But worse, rather than reinvest that tax in front line services, he would probably use it for his union mates and bureaucracy.
Oh, and whilst Im having a moan, my wifes facebook is constantly bombarded with some (ok a couple in particular) NHS workers posting links about how they should be congratulated and celebrated.
Yes, you all do important work, work that I could not do, and for that I doth my cap. But you are not heroes and you do not need to tell others that you are. Its as if they are not being paid at all!
Yes, you all do important work, work that I could not do, and for that I doth my cap. But you are not heroes and you do not need to tell others that you are. Its as if they are not being paid at all!
Mobile Chicane said:
Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
Traditional family unit, two adults, two children, one adult working and earning £70k/year and the other a full time parent.£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
alock said:
Traditional family unit, two adults, two children, one adult working and earning £70k/year and the other a full time parent.
£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
but my friend we are faced with so many idiots in Westminster and they come in many different forms. £70k is a good salary but I would imagine not one where you can look forward to early retirement and a nice place somewhere hot to go in Winter. The politics of envy is here in 2017.£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
johnxjsc1985 said:
but my friend we are faced with so many idiots in Westminster and they come in many different forms. £70k is a good salary but I would imagine not one where you can look forward to early retirement and a nice place somewhere hot to go in Winter. The politics of envy is here in 2017.
£70,000 in most of the South East - yes, its middle income £70,000 in South Wales - practically a Millionaire.
Sort of ..
Fastdruid said:
Mobile Chicane said:
98elise said:
Burwood said:
Tomorrow will be free houses for all
How much has Jezebel spent this month. Must be elleventy billion.
Hes already promised tenants will be given the right to buy properties from private landlords for a 75 - 100k discount funded by the landlord.How much has Jezebel spent this month. Must be elleventy billion.
This is possibly due to the recent tax changes and/or the extra 3% stamp duty.
If labour win (I know, I know...) with even the slightest hint of private tenant right to buy legislation in the offing the current housing crisis will seem like a storm in a teacup. Council emergency housing departments won't know what's hit 'em.
andy43 said:
Based purely on recent personal experience, landlords are moving tenants out to sell up and/or are no longer buying.
This is possibly due to the recent tax changes and/or the extra 3% stamp duty.
If labour win (I know, I know...) with even the slightest hint of private tenant right to buy legislation in the offing the current housing crisis will seem like a storm in a teacup. Council emergency housing departments won't know what's hit 'em.
Yep it's the most ridiculous idea they have thought up...but then again this is labour. This is possibly due to the recent tax changes and/or the extra 3% stamp duty.
If labour win (I know, I know...) with even the slightest hint of private tenant right to buy legislation in the offing the current housing crisis will seem like a storm in a teacup. Council emergency housing departments won't know what's hit 'em.
no one at my work will vote labour and everyone thinks they are a joke.
But I did drive 2.6 miles from the station and saw 5 libdem signs when there was only one at the last GE, maybe two
alock said:
Traditional family unit, two adults, two children, one adult working and earning £70k/year and the other a full time parent.
£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
Not forgetting the mug on £70k will have his savings interest taxed at 40% instead of 20; will probably own a more affluent car so more road tax and insurance, and will probably live in a bigger house too so will pay more council tax, even though they're using exactly the same public parks, swimming baths, libraries, bin collection service, police/fire/ and ambulance cover as the £25k couple.£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
Same old Tories, taxing the rich.
Mobile Chicane said:
Only they're not. Council tax is capped.
The multimillionaire in his or her mansion pays less as a percentage of income than the person on average wages.
That has to change.
Why? Council tax has to be paid from income that has already been taxed.The multimillionaire in his or her mansion pays less as a percentage of income than the person on average wages.
That has to change.
The multimillionaire uses less of the facilities that Council tax is expected to fund. There is no reason why Council tax should be linked to income.
Council tax is supposed to pay for local services, surely, it should be based on number of people in the household not how much you earn or how big your house is.
I have never understood the logic charging people with bigger houses more, logic would dictate that those in the most expensive houses would use less local services so should pay less council tax or am I missing something?
I have never understood the logic charging people with bigger houses more, logic would dictate that those in the most expensive houses would use less local services so should pay less council tax or am I missing something?
teapea said:
Council tax is supposed to pay for local services, surely, it should be based on number of people in the household not how much you earn or how big your house is.
I have never understood the logic charging people with bigger houses more, logic would dictate that those in the most expensive houses would use less local services so should pay less council tax or am I missing something?
Of course. What you have said makes total and logical sense. That's the Poll Tax.I have never understood the logic charging people with bigger houses more, logic would dictate that those in the most expensive houses would use less local services so should pay less council tax or am I missing something?
Mothersruin said:
Of course. What you have said makes total and logical sense. That's the Poll Tax.
just googled it, had no idea what poll tax was, before my time, don't understand why it was considered a bad idea?I have always thought it seems unfair that, given I live by myself, I pay 75% as much as a family of 5, who use all the local services etc.
teapea said:
Mothersruin said:
Of course. What you have said makes total and logical sense. That's the Poll Tax.
just googled it, had no idea what poll tax was, before my time, don't understand why it was considered a bad idea?I have always thought it seems unfair that, given I live by myself, I pay 75% as much as a family of 5, who use all the local services etc.
If they brought back the Poll Tax it'd be spun as giving tax breaks for the rich, attacking the poor etc. despite it being fairer imo.
Gogoplata said:
Because nasty wasty Tories.
If they brought back the Poll Tax it'd be spun as giving tax breaks for the rich, attacking the poor etc. despite it being fairer imo.
I don't get that attitude about the conservatives.If they brought back the Poll Tax it'd be spun as giving tax breaks for the rich, attacking the poor etc. despite it being fairer imo.
I mean, I run a business, I don't consider myself "rich" but I appreciate some would, it's all relative.
But in recently we've seen
- Major increase in business rates, £6,500 a year increase for us.
- Workplace pension, we're having to find the money for that as struggling to put up prices in our competitive market.
- Change in the rules on dividend income meaning I pay more tax
All of the above implemented by the conservatives, who have increased the tax threshold for low earners so more and more pay less and less tax.
Yet all I hear over and over again is "The conservatives just give tax breaks to the rich and screw over the poor"
I'm not massively politically astute I don't have the time to follow things too closely, but I don't see how, or am I being naive
alock said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Anyone on >£70k can consider themselves 'comfortably off' compared with the average salary of £26k. I personally have no issue with paying more tax to fund our public services.
Traditional family unit, two adults, two children, one adult working and earning £70k/year and the other a full time parent.£70k salary = £4k/month take home.
Couple earning £26k each and with two children
£3470/month take home + £136 child benefit = £3606
Only an idiot thinks the majority of people on £70k are rich.
Let's look at another service line.
Bins. Labour say want to give them a oayrise of say £3/hr great news - that's not investing in Bin service is it? Instead you've the same number of heads the same number of wagons same frequency same % rate to landfill sole difference is labour cost has gone up. A bin is either collected or it is not to its timetable that's its KPI.
Labour previously "invested" in the NHS billions and billions more. What that turned out to be was big pay rises for Drs nurses midwives.
The poll tax was a terrible system, it was a total disaster the way it was implemented compared to the rates ( the system before poll and council tax) people were paying at the time.
Forcing the poll tax on the Scottish a year before the rest of the UK is the reason the Tories have been wiped out north of the border. It was a huge political mistake.
Forcing the poll tax on the Scottish a year before the rest of the UK is the reason the Tories have been wiped out north of the border. It was a huge political mistake.
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