Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Can it be both? Can't we work to make our children's lives a little easier whilst not making them spoilt selfish Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
s?oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Why does it have to be either/or.Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Relatively few people have enough influence or get to pass on enough to their kids, early enough, to instantly launch them to the top of the social ladder or to the top of their chosen career.
If people do finally inherit something - for the vast majority it's likely to be a relatively modest amount (especially if it's split between multiple children/relatives) and for most people - inheritance comes long after they have already set themselves on a career path.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Stickyfinger said:
Come on, we KNOW every rich person just inherited their money from their rich family....get accurate chaps
Including those privileged rich people who started with nothing and got there by their own hard work 
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
It's obviously both.Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
AstonZagato said:
It's obviously both.
I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
Indeed, and well said. I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
AstonZagato said:
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
It's obviously both.Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
Oakey said:
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Can it be both? Can't we work to make our children's lives a little easier whilst not making them spoilt selfish Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
s?I was bought up in a home with no central heating, by a single mum. I left school at 16 and have 3 different careers. I've started 2 businesses, one of which failed taking my life savings and nearly my house with it (while my wife was pregnant with our first child). Having now settled into a 3rd career, got qualified I now earn well, but it means working away a lot. We live a modest life though and I invest for my future, and that includes my kids future. That doesn't mean they won't have to work as hard as me. It just means they might get help with a roof over their head, and get to retire before they are 80.
My son is current back from Uni and rather then sit indoors playing on his PS3, I've got him grafting in the garden. If he wants beer money for when he goes back to Uni, then he needs to earn it. I could afford to hand him a big cheque, but life's not like that.
Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 20th June 12:20
AstonZagato said:
It's obviously both.
I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
Over simplified here, but food for thought.I'm the son of a working class family that bettered itself. Dad was the grandson of a gardener. Mum was the daughter of penniless immigrants. Both became teachers.
I worked and worked. Slaved at school to get a scholarship into the local Public School. Worked like a dog to get into into the best university in the UK. Polished my CV there to ensure that degree took me into a good career. Worked 60-90h weeks for 15 years. Founded a firm and worked like a dog for another 17 years (though probably less now). Still away from home about 20% of the time travelling on business. Every day in the office is still 10-14 hours.
I've done well. But it isn't because the "system is designed to benefit the elite" as Corbyn would put it (the twunt). It's because I've worked fecking hard. Anyone with a brain and an open attitude, coupled with drive and ambition could have done what I did.
My wife is similarly a local comp girl who has used brains and hard work to reach the top of her profession.
My kids, I've done what I can to give them a good start in life. Good schools to get the best grades (the best ones locally were independent), encouragement to get into good universities, unpaid internships helped by BOMAD. But if they don't have the drive and ambition, they won't outperform my wife and me.
I hate the Labour mantra that the system is rigged. It is very seductive to believe that others have succeeded because their background has biased the world in their favour. But it obscures the altogether more troublesome truth that much of one's success in life lies in one's own hands.
If you look at the ST Rich List, I think it is 75% of the people in there weren't there 20 years ago. The top 0.1% are an ever changing group. Fortunes are made. Fortunes are squandered.
Edited by dimots on Tuesday 20th June 15:44
Edited by dimots on Tuesday 20th June 15:45
But what about Richard's early forays into Heroin, and the time he spent in a Bangkok prison? What about Paula's acceptance into Oxford on the back of her commitment to her own education, and the fact that she now runs the UK Diplomatic Service? 
You get given what you are given, your own graft makes the best of those opportunities. Yes, some people have fewer opportunities. Is what is, and precisely why parents try and give their own kids the opportunity to make their own choices.
You get given what you are given, your own graft makes the best of those opportunities. Yes, some people have fewer opportunities. Is what is, and precisely why parents try and give their own kids the opportunity to make their own choices.
Corbyn supporters spread fake news about Grenfell House...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/corbyn-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/corbyn-...
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Both you idiotYet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Stickyfinger said:
oyster said:
It's funny how on one thread on PH you get a consensus about how getting to the top is all about hard work and graft and not about what you've been handed by benefit of birth.
Yet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
Both you idiotYet on another thread there is consensus about wanting to hand down money to children to give them a better start in life.
Which is it?
and some real stories Dimots
Jan Koum, the CEO and co-founder of WhatsApp grew up dirt poor-lived off food stamps.
Kenny Troutt, the founder of Excel Communications grew up with working class parents who both worked. Young Kenny had a job to pay for his school fees
Starbucks' Howard Schultz grew up in a council house-poor
Oprah Winfrey gre up poor and suffered terrible racism
I would agree that there are many children which don't get a great start but i would say that is not a poverty issue in the main. It's st parents. In your example, pails house may be full of people because the parents throw parties most nights.
Jan Koum, the CEO and co-founder of WhatsApp grew up dirt poor-lived off food stamps.
Kenny Troutt, the founder of Excel Communications grew up with working class parents who both worked. Young Kenny had a job to pay for his school fees
Starbucks' Howard Schultz grew up in a council house-poor
Oprah Winfrey gre up poor and suffered terrible racism
I would agree that there are many children which don't get a great start but i would say that is not a poverty issue in the main. It's s
t parents. In your example, pails house may be full of people because the parents throw parties most nights.
From the telegraph-it would seem that prick Mcdonnell is no stranger to inciting violence.
"Mr Corbyn was also asked about comments from Mr McDonnell who at least three times between 2010 and 2012 called for “insurrection” to “bring down” the Government.
Mr Corbyn said: “Is John in favour of insurrection? No he's not - it was a colourful use of words and I am sure he would explain that.”
The news came as it emerged that Mr McDonnell had also apparently encouraged illegal behaviour and admitted to ‘inciting riots’."
"Mr Corbyn was also asked about comments from Mr McDonnell who at least three times between 2010 and 2012 called for “insurrection” to “bring down” the Government.
Mr Corbyn said: “Is John in favour of insurrection? No he's not - it was a colourful use of words and I am sure he would explain that.”
The news came as it emerged that Mr McDonnell had also apparently encouraged illegal behaviour and admitted to ‘inciting riots’."
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