Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

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alock

4,228 posts

212 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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bhstewie said:
Personally I've never quite got how at 16 you're old enough to leave home, leave school, get a job (paid less than someone older doing the exact same thing), pay taxes, but have absolutely zero say in any of the policies that might impact you in doing any of the above.
Should a 16 year old also be able to buy alcohol and serve on a jury?

kiethton

13,917 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Jockman said:
Is there a market for employing 16 year olds at £3.50 per hour?

Will raising this to £10 per hour improve this market or have an adverse effect?

Is £3.50 ph an easy target because it's so low? Indeed who sets this, the Low Pay Commission?
If they become eligible for full wages there is also the knock-on consequence of capping child benefit, CSA payments and a whole host of other subsidies at the same age.

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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kiethton said:
Jockman said:
Is there a market for employing 16 year olds at £3.50 per hour?

Will raising this to £10 per hour improve this market or have an adverse effect?

Is £3.50 ph an easy target because it's so low? Indeed who sets this, the Low Pay Commission?
If they become eligible for full wages there is also the knock-on consequence of capping child benefit, CSA payments and a whole host of other subsidies at the same age.
Is that just a not so subtle way of shifting the cost from the govt onto companies?

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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bhstewie said:
Burwood said:
won't this encourage young people to ditch school and higher education? Giving 16yos the vote is even more frightening. Corbyn continues to shake the tree!
I'm beginning to think the tree needs shaking and it's pretty simple, if you shake it and people don't like it they won't vote for it, if they do they will.

Personally I've never quite got how at 16 you're old enough to leave home, leave school, get a job (paid less than someone older doing the exact same thing), pay taxes, but have absolutely zero say in any of the policies that might impact you in doing any of the above.
Actually the leaving home, school, get a job at 16 is only to cater for the ones who are destined for one thing. A generalisation but largely true-who the fk really wants their child to be working full time at 16. They are immature, know fk all and of course they shouldn't have a vote-they are children! I personally think 18 is too young to vote.

bitchstewie

51,449 posts

211 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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alock said:
bhstewie said:
Personally I've never quite got how at 16 you're old enough to leave home, leave school, get a job (paid less than someone older doing the exact same thing), pay taxes, but have absolutely zero say in any of the policies that might impact you in doing any of the above.
Should a 16 year old also be able to buy alcohol and serve on a jury?
First instinct on both is no.

I'm saying that because with alcohol the age has been 18 for as far as I can recall, and with cigarettes the age was increased from 16 to 18 presumably to help act as a deterrent.

On Jury Service, I believe youth courts don't have jury's so again my instinct is that if you can't be tried by a jury at 16 you shouldn't be on a jury at 16.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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bhstewie said:
alock said:
bhstewie said:
Personally I've never quite got how at 16 you're old enough to leave home, leave school, get a job (paid less than someone older doing the exact same thing), pay taxes, but have absolutely zero say in any of the policies that might impact you in doing any of the above.
Should a 16 year old also be able to buy alcohol and serve on a jury?
First instinct on both is no.

I'm saying that because with alcohol the age has been 18 for as far as I can recall, and with cigarettes the age was increased from 16 to 18 presumably to help act as a deterrent.

On Jury Service, I believe youth courts don't have jury's so again my instinct is that if you can't be tried by a jury at 16 you shouldn't be on a jury at 16.
So, taking view that one can't be on a Jury or tried, due to, hmm, what? Perhaps being child, lacking in capacity or make proper decisions. Youthful exuberance. Like I said, they leave school at 16 as an option not to get kicked out, same with home or abusive parents.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Burwood said:
won't this encourage young people to ditch school and higher education? Giving 16yos the vote is even more frightening. Corbyn continues to shake the tree!
It isn't just Corbyn, there's a big cross party push to give 16 year olds the vote. I wouldn't back it however I think it will happen sometime in the future.

"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...



pingu393

7,835 posts

206 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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BlackLabel said:
"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."
I wonder why wink

Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?

Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?

Lance Catamaran

24,992 posts

228 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Burwood said:
bhstewie said:
alock said:
bhstewie said:
Personally I've never quite got how at 16 you're old enough to leave home, leave school, get a job (paid less than someone older doing the exact same thing), pay taxes, but have absolutely zero say in any of the policies that might impact you in doing any of the above.
Should a 16 year old also be able to buy alcohol and serve on a jury?
First instinct on both is no.

I'm saying that because with alcohol the age has been 18 for as far as I can recall, and with cigarettes the age was increased from 16 to 18 presumably to help act as a deterrent.

On Jury Service, I believe youth courts don't have jury's so again my instinct is that if you can't be tried by a jury at 16 you shouldn't be on a jury at 16.
So, taking view that one can't be on a Jury or tried, due to, hmm, what? Perhaps being child, lacking in capacity or make proper decisions. Youthful exuberance. Like I said, they leave school at 16 as an option not to get kicked out, same with home or abusive parents.
As a society we also don't trust 16 year olds to buy a house, enter several jobs or professions, watch pornography, drive anything above a scooter, get a credit card, buy certain films, set up accounts on countless websites or shops etc. So if we don't trust them to be financially responsible is voting on our country's economy a good idea?

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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pingu393 said:
BlackLabel said:
"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."
I wonder why wink

Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?

Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
I would have smile

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Burwood said:
pingu393 said:
BlackLabel said:
"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."
I wonder why wink

Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?

Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
I would have smile
Crikey......who's offering votes to under 16s ? yikes

mercGLowner

1,668 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Venezuela here we come.........

RichB

51,642 posts

285 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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mercGLowner said:
Venezuela here we come.........
Indeed, so why is Britain s gullible as to think this is sensible when most other countries recognise that school children do not have the experience to understand anything about how a country is run. I would have had no idea when I was 16 so would simply have followed what my paretns told me.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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BlackLabel said:
What I think is most worrying about this snippet is that this wasn't Labour policy. In response to a question he has basically said yeah fk it why not. It's policy making on the hoof without any thought as to the costs or implications and hang the consequences.

It's actually quite childlike, and deeply worrying that he can think this way.

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Oakey said:
I see they were all fawning over Johnny Depp as he made jokes about assassinating the President. The same wife beating Depp with his 14 houses and lifestyle that's costing him $2million a month. You'd think they'd want him lined up against the wall first when the revolution comes.
Yep anything shows how generally stupid the "young, liberal & "trendy left" can be it is this exact example....they are just blind to the massive contradictions in their ideology.
Yes but .... Johnny makes his money from entertaining people. He's not a ruthless banker or capitalist mill-owner exploiting poor refugees to make millions which are banked offshore

They would tell you.

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Corbyn is speaking on stage at Glastonbury on Saturday...

Solocle

3,310 posts

85 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Yipper said:
Corbyn is speaking on stage at Glastonbury on Saturday...
What about, the tunes he got out of Dianne Abbot in the 70's? wink
Or will he sing "John Mcdonnel had a farm, and on that farm he had a pig callled Napolean"?

s2art

18,937 posts

254 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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Burwood said:
pingu393 said:
BlackLabel said:
"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."
I wonder why wink

Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?

Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
I would have smile
Me too. As a young lad I was horrified when Labour cancelled the British space program and TSR2. Could never vote for labour after that.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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You don't hear too much from Hillary Clinton since she lost the election unfortunately the same can't be said about Jeremy Corbyn.

9xxNick

928 posts

215 months

Saturday 24th June 2017
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pingu393 said:
I wonder why wink

Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?

Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
Yes, they've always seems like the sane choice to me.
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