Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
Lance Catamaran said:
As a society we also don't trust 16 year olds to buy a house, enter several jobs or professions, watch pornography, drive anything above a scooter, get a credit card, buy certain films, set up accounts on countless websites or shops etc. So if we don't trust them to be financially responsible is voting on our country's economy a good idea?
It is a good idea if you want to exploit their naivety...Burwood said:
pingu393 said:
BlackLabel said:
"Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all back votes at 16 - only UKIP and the Tories are against it."
I wonder why 
Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?
Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_p9qjfu5U
Solocle said:
Yipper said:
Corbyn is speaking on stage at Glastonbury on Saturday...
What about, the tunes he got out of Dianne Abbot in the 70's? Or will he sing "John Mcdonnel had a farm, and on that farm he had a pig callled Napolean"?
I think, on careful reflection, you will conclude, as I have, that McDonnell is Corbyn's 'Napoleon'.
ETA
Apologies, you deserved a bit of
for that.Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Saturday 24th June 13:59
motco said:
Lance Catamaran said:
As a society we also don't trust 16 year olds to buy a house, enter several jobs or professions, watch pornography, drive anything above a scooter, get a credit card, buy certain films, set up accounts on countless websites or shops etc. So if we don't trust them to be financially responsible is voting on our country's economy a good idea?
It is a good idea if you want to exploit their naivety...Burwood said:
So, taking view that one can't be on a Jury or tried, due to, hmm, what? Perhaps being child, lacking in capacity or make proper decisions. Youthful exuberance. Like I said, they leave school at 16 as an option not to get kicked out, same with home or abusive parents.
I said I've never understood the reasoning because I don't. I'm not saying give them the vote, just that I've an open mind to hear the arguments for and against if someone wants to make the case.What I'm not doing is simply assuming they're all incapable of making a choice when we allow them to make choices on a great many other things.
pingu393 said:
I wonder why
Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?
Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
Most kids have socialist ideals, because to date most have lived a socialist existence (i.e. spending other people's money). Who wouldn't want that!Does anybody know anyone under 16 who would vote Tory?
Would any of us have voted Tory when we were under 16?
It's only once they get into the big wide world that many realise their life isn't going to be funded by the grace of other people's money - and that's when many start to change their attitude (and voting intention).
Exactly that ^^^
You wait until they have done a few weeks of 12 hour nights and then seen the amount of tax deducted each week! There is a reason Mansfield has just turned blue for the first time since time began! I would imagine the demographic of the Glastonbury crowd is a left wing parties wet dream!
Though I have to admit the Labour manifesto had some good ideas, the Tories well the less said the better!
May was a rubbish home secretary, I'm not sure why (me included) thought she would make a great prime minister. Maybe Corbyn was \ is that bad
You wait until they have done a few weeks of 12 hour nights and then seen the amount of tax deducted each week! There is a reason Mansfield has just turned blue for the first time since time began! I would imagine the demographic of the Glastonbury crowd is a left wing parties wet dream!
Though I have to admit the Labour manifesto had some good ideas, the Tories well the less said the better!
May was a rubbish home secretary, I'm not sure why (me included) thought she would make a great prime minister. Maybe Corbyn was \ is that bad
RichB said:
mercGLowner said:
Venezuela here we come.........
Indeed, so why is Britain s gullible as to think this is sensible when most other countries recognise that school children do not have the experience to understand anything about how a country is run. I would have had no idea when I was 16 so would simply have followed what my paretns told me. Where are the Tory big hitters?? Corbyn has a free feign at the moment, unless of course its in the Conservative Central Office grand plan to let Corbyn and co continue to spout off........ but we know where the last Tory grand plan got us!
I'm all for lowering the voting age to 16, as long as the secondary school curriculum includes economics and critical thinking & debating skills.
At the end of the day it's really not difficult to pick holes in the stupidity of Momentum's plans (it doesn't feel right calling them labour anymore), it's well within the capability of most 16yo, the problem is they currently have to learn the skills above through life experience, which they don't have at that age.
At the end of the day it's really not difficult to pick holes in the stupidity of Momentum's plans (it doesn't feel right calling them labour anymore), it's well within the capability of most 16yo, the problem is they currently have to learn the skills above through life experience, which they don't have at that age.
mercGLowner said:
I made the point earlier about the lack of noise from the Tory's in exposing and dismantling Corbynomics....... This is yet another golden opportunity to destroy this ideology and expose it as fantasy economics......
There is no point. Those that vote Labour wouldn't understand or don't want to understand. They will see it as proof that "the elite" are trying to protect the status quo, not trying to prevent an economic catastrophe. Facts won't matter.The crucial point in the leaders debate was when Amber Rudd attacked Corbyn's economics in the leaders' debate. His answer was not to defend the economics (they are indefensible) but to ask "Have you been to a food bank?". It raised a cheer not a groan. Rather than answer, he deflected with an emotional appeal. It will be exactly this. "The nasty Tories don't want to give ou this free stuff because they are heartless." No attempt will be made to show how their system will work (because it doesn't) other than repeating "tax the rich" and "our manifesto is fully funded". Then the Tories are stuck being negative. Labour hope versus Tory cynicism. It will be hope that wins every time.
AstonZagato said:
It will be hope that wins every time.
Change the conversation to something the Conservatives can be positive about and isn't divisive (Hint: Not Brexit.) There must be some way in which ordinary peoples lives are better than back in May, 2010. If not then I can see why people might not vote Conservative, you can't polish a turd.
Dr Jekyll said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
I think, on careful reflection, you will conclude, as I have, that McDonnell is Corbyn's 'Napoleon'.
It is past time for her in any case.
Squealer is, to my mind, the mystery character, but as history shows, there will always be someone to fill those
wormus said:
g3org3y said:
Talking now.
Very positively received by the festival goers.
Free stuff, free stuff for everyone! Welcome all immigrants and ban the bomb! Equal rights for ugly women and make the Elite pay!Very positively received by the festival goers.
Woooooooooooooh!!!!!
Prick!
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