Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[turbobloke]

On reflection it looks (almost) as though Jezza was being advised by Clegg.

[Welshbeef]

Ongoing it's a promise you might be able to keep at the expense of cutting elsewhere.

However legacy debt is a minefield.
Firstly £100billion currently
Secondly what about those individuals who elected to pay it all off early? Do they get rebates?

Also there will be some not so well off but decided to pay it off first before buying a house while others didn't pay it off yet have mortgage and the debt but they were to get it wiped off.


Not sure where labour go from here to be honest. Clearly that news verification from JC today will not have increased his support only harmed it.

[djc206]

Welshbeef said:

Ongoing it's a promise you might be able to keep at the expense of cutting elsewhere.

However legacy debt is a minefield.
Firstly £100billion currently
Secondly what about those individuals who elected to pay it all off early? Do they get rebates?

Also there will be some not so well off but decided to pay it off first before buying a house while others didn't pay it off yet have mortgage and the debt but they were to get it wiped off.


Not sure where labour go from here to be honest. Clearly that news verification from JC today will not have increased his support only harmed it.

Not that I support the idea but the simplest solution would be to refund fees. The recipient of the refund could then clear that from their debt or if they took out a loan pre 2012 use the money elsewhere since the interest rate on those loans is so low (1.25% I believe) it would be folly to clear the debt.

[Welshbeef]

djc206 said:

Not that I support the idea but the simplest solution would be to refund fees. The recipient of the refund could then clear that from their debt or if they took out a loan pre 2012 use the money elsewhere since the interest rate on those loans is so low (1.25% I believe) it would be folly to clear the debt.

But that total could be double what is currently expected!

As is clearing £100b is £3,255 for all the working population to pay. Not an insignificant sum.

[djc206]

Welshbeef said:

djc206 said:

Not that I support the idea but the simplest solution would be to refund fees. The recipient of the refund could then clear that from their debt or if they took out a loan pre 2012 use the money elsewhere since the interest rate on those loans is so low (1.25% I believe) it would be folly to clear the debt.

But that total could be double what is currently expected!

As is clearing £100b is £3,255 for all the working population to pay. Not an insignificant sum.

Oh it's a crazy idea. Why should my girlfriends student loan be written off? She used the money to buy her first house and get drunk. I finished paying my loan back but I sure as st didn't deserve to have it cleared when I had it.

The only thing I would support is a rethink on student loan interest rates. RPI + 3% is criminal especially on a £40k+ debt. We really shouldn't be making a university education a near lifetime debt obligation. The sweet spot was £3k fees and low interest loans.

[alfie2244]

turbobloke said:

On reflection it looks (almost) as though Jezza was being advised by Clegg.

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

[djc206]

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

[alfie2244]

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

Can't see May being about at the next GE myself but lots can happen in a week in politics so who knows where it will be by then............new political party perhaps?

[motco]

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

If the Tories kept telling the voters that austerity is not a policy but a necessity brought about by the profligacy of the previous Labour government, maybe, if repeated often enough, it would get through the thick skulls of the Corbyn fans. Dickens had it right with Mr Micawber

Micawber said:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen shillings and six pence, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

When the Conservatives came to office one in five pounds spent was borrowed, now it's one in fifteen according to another contributor on here.

[djc206]

motco said:

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

If the Tories kept telling the voters that austerity is not a policy but a necessity brought about by the profligacy of the previous Labour government, maybe, if repeated often enough, it would get through the thick skulls of the Corbyn fans. Dickens had it right with Mr Micawber

Micawber said:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen shillings and six pence, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

When the Conservatives came to office one in five pounds spent was borrowed, now it's one in fifteen according to another contributor on here.

I'm in complete agreement with you but the naive and those who've been on the receiving end of cuts and wage freezes are less likely to take a holistic and detached view of things.

[Donkey Of The Damned]

alfie2244 said:

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

Can't see May being about at the next GE myself but lots can happen in a week in politics so who knows where it will be by then............new political party perhaps?

I see May has gone on another walking holiday. God knows what crazy plan she is going to conjure up this time.

[alfie2244]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

alfie2244 said:

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

Can't see May being about at the next GE myself but lots can happen in a week in politics so who knows where it will be by then............new political party perhaps?

I see May has gone on another walking holiday. God knows what crazy plan she is going to conjure up this time.

Jezza has gone to his allotment to conjure up his next disguised empty promise to deceive the gullible into giving him their vote.


Sorry I forget to welcome you back JK.

Edited by alfie2244 on Sunday 23 July 16:30

[Donkey Of The Damned]

alfie2244 said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

alfie2244 said:

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

Can't see May being about at the next GE myself but lots can happen in a week in politics so who knows where it will be by then............new political party perhaps?

I see May has gone on another walking holiday. God knows what crazy plan she is going to conjure up this time.

Jezza has gone to his allotment to conjure up his next disguised empty promise to deceive the gullible into giving him their vote.


Sorry I forget to welcome you back JK.

Edited by alfie2244 on Sunday 23 July 16:30

I thought you already had, but thanks anyway.

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

[alfie2244]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

I thought you already had, but thanks anyway.

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

Clegg's plans / lies won votes and even a bit of power for a while but look at what has happened since............Steptoe will do well to remember that.

[T6 vanman]

motco said:

djc206 said:

alfie2244 said:

Hopefully the student vote next time around will reflect his deceit as it did for Cleggy when he did a very similar thing.

If the Toies continue with austerity and/or Theresa May remains as leader it won't. There's nowhere for lefties to go if they want rid of the conservatives even if their Dear Leader has betrayed them slightly.

If the Tories kept telling the voters that austerity is not a policy but a necessity brought about by the profligacy of the previous Labour government, maybe, if repeated often enough, it would get through the thick skulls of the Corbyn fans. Dickens had it right with Mr Micawber

Micawber said:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen shillings and six pence, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

When the Conservatives came to office one in five pounds spent was borrowed, now it's one in fifteen according to another contributor on here.

That may have been me and actually it was £1 in £4 as government spending was £640B and borrowing was £160 in 2010 ....
What need's to be repeated over & over at every interview by Tory ministers is to debunk the "Austerity" mantra, as actually the government had never decreased total government spending (currently at £780B) but prudent spending control. TM wouldn't be in the mess she currently is in if these two facts weren't forgotten in the last election disaster

[motco]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans schemes they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

That's not democracy, that's a confidence trick! Before Blair, many Labour MPs had principles. among others Clair Short, Eric Heffer, Michael Foot, and even Anthony Wedgewood Benn (note, not the cuddly Tony Benn) would never have stooped quite as low as to tell bare faced lies simply in order to gain votes. Okay so Benn was a tax evader when it came to his legacy to his family, but that apart he had more principles than Tony Blair could ever dream of. Blair started to market research policy making in which the voters are asked what they want the party to say they stand for, and they'll claim they believed that all along. 'If you don't like our policies don't worry, we have others!' I always respected traditional Labour for standing up for what they believe in regardless of whether it would gain votes. Better to try to convince the people of the virtues of socialism than to prostitute themselves for votes. Well Mr Trustworthy Corbyn has developed a new twist on this technique: tell 'em you'll look after 'em until they've cast their votes. Then tell the truth.

[Donkey Of The Damned]

motco said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans schemes they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

That's not democracy, that's a confidence trick! Before Blair, many Labour MPs had principles. among others Clair Short, Eric Heffer, Michael Foot, and even Anthony Wedgewood Benn (note, not the cuddly Tony Benn) would never have stooped quite as low as to tell bare faced lies simply in order to gain votes. Okay so Benn was a tax evader when it came to his legacy to his family, but that apart he had more principles than Tony Blair could ever dream of. Blair started to market research policy making in which the voters are asked what they want the party to say they stand for, and they'll claim they believed that all along. 'If you don't like our policies don't worry, we have others!' I always respected traditional Labour for standing up for what they believe in regardless of whether it would gain votes. Better to try to convince the people of the virtues of socialism than to prostitute themselves for votes. Well Mr Trustworthy Corbyn has developed a new twist on this technique: tell 'em you'll look after 'em until they've cast their votes. Then tell the truth.

More completely confused arguments from the Anti Corbyn frothers. One minute he is too Old Labour, Michael Foot rehashed, too principled and set in his ways, the next he isn't Old Labour enough, nothing like Michael Foot, has no principles and changes with the wind.

Make your mind up people.

[Lance Catamaran]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

motco said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans schemes they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

That's not democracy, that's a confidence trick! Before Blair, many Labour MPs had principles. among others Clair Short, Eric Heffer, Michael Foot, and even Anthony Wedgewood Benn (note, not the cuddly Tony Benn) would never have stooped quite as low as to tell bare faced lies simply in order to gain votes. Okay so Benn was a tax evader when it came to his legacy to his family, but that apart he had more principles than Tony Blair could ever dream of. Blair started to market research policy making in which the voters are asked what they want the party to say they stand for, and they'll claim they believed that all along. 'If you don't like our policies don't worry, we have others!' I always respected traditional Labour for standing up for what they believe in regardless of whether it would gain votes. Better to try to convince the people of the virtues of socialism than to prostitute themselves for votes. Well Mr Trustworthy Corbyn has developed a new twist on this technique: tell 'em you'll look after 'em until they've cast their votes. Then tell the truth.

More completely confused arguments from the Anti Corbyn frothers. One minute he is too Old Labour, Michael Foot rehashed, too principled and set in his ways, the next he isn't Old Labour enough, nothing like Michael Foot, has no principles and changes with the wind.

Make your mind up people.

So Jawknee, any thoughts on Saint Jeremy u-turning on student debt and being for a hard Brexit all along?

[768]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

I thought you already had, but thanks anyway.

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

TM won more votes than JC in the last election. Without pretending to offer free money. JK will do well to remember.

[Donkey Of The Damned]

Lance Catamaran said:

So Jawknee, any thoughts on Saint Jeremy u-turning on student debt and being for a hard Brexit all along?

Must admit I'm not a fan of his leaving the single market rhetoric but if it is going to happen would much rather it is under him than the useless Tories.

768 said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

I thought you already had, but thanks anyway.

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

TM won more votes than JC in the last election. Without pretending to offer free money. JK will do well to remember.

And what a massive success that was. Now her own party are plotting against her.