Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[Donkey Of The Damned]

sidicks said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

UKIP loons returning to the mothership.

You seem to be unaware that more of the 'UK loons' went to Labour than to the Tories...

Are you really so poorly informed?

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Are those the same boundary changes you promised us were happening but have seemingly been scrapped? OK, keep clutching at those straws.

Why do you think they've been scrapped?

Donkey Of The Damned said:

The country are gradually giving up on Conservatism. They can see it doesn't work in this day and age. Good riddance.

Except of course the country increased their votes for the Tories.

You really are very ignorant about most of what you claim!!

They've been scrapped because the government are so bloody weak and distracted with other matters and internal squabbling.

The Conservatives couldn't even win an overall majority. The swing to Labour was much, much larger and a sign of the direction this country is heading in. Conservatism is dead. If you can't see that you're deluded, or a soon to be unemployed Tory spin doctor.

sidicks said:

djc206 said:

The Tories received 13.67m votes, the last time Labour received that many votes was 1951. It was the largest number of votes the Tories had received in 25 years.

I didn't vote for them by the way but Conservatism and what they're selling are not as unpopular as you seem to think.

He's just the third iteration of a pathetic and ignorant troll. Hopefully he'll be banned (again) soon.

Third? Who's the ignoramus now?

[sidicks]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

They've been scrapped because the government are so bloody weak and distracted with other matters and internal squabbling.

They haven't been scrapped.

Donkey Of The Damned said:

The Conservatives couldn't even win an overall majority. The swing to Labour was much, much larger and a sign of the direction this country is heading in.

Is that the swing from the "UKIP loons" that you were discussing previously?

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Conservatism is dead. If you can't see that you're deluded, or a soon to be unemployed Tory spin doctor.

By far the largest party and a significant increase in votes despite an incompetent election campaign and an opposition that was prepared to lie to and bribe the electorate to win votes...

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Third? Who's the ignoramus now?

You, for admitting you've rejoined despite being banned?!

[alfie2244]

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Donkey Of The Damned said:

Third? Who's the ignoramus now?

You, for admitting you've rejoined despite being banned?!

[djc206]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

sidicks said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

UKIP loons returning to the mothership.

You seem to be unaware that more of the 'UK loons' went to Labour than to the Tories...

Are you really so poorly informed?

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Are those the same boundary changes you promised us were happening but have seemingly been scrapped? OK, keep clutching at those straws.

Why do you think they've been scrapped?

Donkey Of The Damned said:

The country are gradually giving up on Conservatism. They can see it doesn't work in this day and age. Good riddance.

Except of course the country increased their votes for the Tories.

You really are very ignorant about most of what you claim!!

They've been scrapped because the government are so bloody weak and distracted with other matters and internal squabbling.

The Conservatives couldn't even win an overall majority. The swing to Labour was much, much larger and a sign of the direction this country is heading in. Conservatism is dead. If you can't see that you're deluded, or a soon to be unemployed Tory spin doctor.

sidicks said:

djc206 said:

The Tories received 13.67m votes, the last time Labour received that many votes was 1951. It was the largest number of votes the Tories had received in 25 years.

I didn't vote for them by the way but Conservatism and what they're selling are not as unpopular as you seem to think.

He's just the third iteration of a pathetic and ignorant troll. Hopefully he'll be banned (again) soon.

Third? Who's the ignoramus now?

It's takes quite a distorted view of things to see the Tories increasing their vote share from 36.8% to 42.3% as a signal of the impending death of Conservatism.

In fact with an unpopular leader with terrible public speaking ability harping on about legalising fox hunting with dogs and still managing to garner more votes and a higher share of the vote than before I'd suggest the opposite to your prediction is true. With a charismatic leader, a well run campaign and a costed manifesto the Tories would have walked the election and still could the next if they tread carefully.

[dazwalsh]

maybe he didn't technically say he would wipe student debt but he certainly led a campaign for it when he saw the young vote heading his way saying he would "deal with it".

Unfortunately many students worshipped the ground he walked on based on that and are now realising he is a fking weasel of a man.

[Donkey Of The Damned]

sidicks said:

You, for admitting you've rejoined despite being banned?!

The Mods on here are top notch to be fair. Sent me on an all expenses paid holiday from this forum for a while using PH members' advertising revenue despite BC's best efforts to the contrary. This is what socialism is all about.

[sidicks]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

The Mods on here are top notch to be fair. Sent me on an all expenses paid holiday from this forum for a while using PH members' advertising revenue despite BC's best efforts to the contrary. This is what socialism is all about.

Let's hope you'll be having another 'holiday' soon.

[Donkey Of The Damned]

djc206 said:

It's takes quite a distorted view of things to see the Tories increasing their vote share from 36.8% to 42.3% as a signal of the impending death of Conservatism.

Look at it this way, the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections.

2010 - 7%
2015 - 6%
2017 - 2%

That's not a healthy trend. To try to argue otherwise is delusional. Every year which passes the electorate are asking what exactly the Cons are doing for them and their country. Not a lot is the answer and the swing to Labour will continue.

[sidicks]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Look at it this way, the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections.

2010 - 7%
2015 - 6%
2017 - 2%

Didn't we have a Coalition government in 2010?

Donkey Of The Danned said:

That's not a healthy trend. To try to argue otherwise is delusional. Every year which passes the electorate are asking what exactly the Cons are doing for them and their country. Not a lot is the answer and the swing to Labour will continue.

And yet the Tory share of the vote continues to increase...

Are there sufficient 'UKIP loons' to swing to Labour, given the Torirs are increasing their share of the vote?

Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 July 23:00

[djc206]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

djc206 said:

It's takes quite a distorted view of things to see the Tories increasing their vote share from 36.8% to 42.3% as a signal of the impending death of Conservatism.

Look at it this way, the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections.

2010 - 7%
2015 - 6%
2017 - 2%

That's not a healthy trend. To try to argue otherwise is delusional. Every year which passes the electorate are asking what exactly the Cons are doing for them and their country. Not a lot is the answer and the swing to Labour will continue.

It can't really continue though. The third party has been effectively squeezed to death, the SNP has been put back in its box, UKIP is dead and buried. Between the Cons and Labour they accounted for 82.3% of the votes in June. To keep going Labour would have take voters from the Conservatives which under Corbyn is nigh on impossible because his brand of socialism may as well be devil worship to the majority of Tory voters.

When you look at how atrociously TM ran her campaign that Labour only managed to close the gap by a meagre 4% is a sign to me at least that Labour wasted a golden opportunity to seize power. We all the know the sole reason for their defeat in the face of one of the poorest Tory campaigns in decades is that Corbyn is leader. If someone like David Miliband had been leader the House of Commons would be a sea of red ties and dresses. Corbyn is the one thing keeping the current brand of Conservatism alive, a beautiful irony.

[Jonmx]

Donkey's Dick or whatever you're calling yourself today. What's your opinion on young Kemi Badenoch's views that she expressed in her maiden speech recently? I'm only posting it here as a lot of what she said goes against the vitriolic anti British guff that Corbyn et al come out with, and I don't really know any loony left types like yourself so would be interested to hear your opinion. If you haven't seen it, I've put a link below.
Ta in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzyyBJVNGA

[98elise]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

irocfan said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

arket rhetoric but if it is going to happen would much rather it is under him than the useless Tories.

768 said:

Donkey Of The Damned said:

I thought you already had, but thanks anyway.

At least you know with Uncle Jezza's plans they have a chance of winning him votes. Always a useful skill to have in a democracy, TM will do well to remember.

TM won more votes than JC in the last election. Without pretending to offer free money. JK will do well to remember.

And what a massive success that was. Now her own party are plotting against her.

so let me ask Jaw - if May is an unmitigated disaster and a total failure (which I am willing to accept on the basis of her election showing) what does that make corbyn given that he got soundly beaten (and that's without the boundary changes which are needed and could cause the red side of politics even more problems)

Well he keeps getting written off in every contest he enter and keeps surpassing expectations. He is only getting stronger. Tory boys should be very afraid. What they are selling is going out of fashion as they regain their reputation as the bd party.

Before the GE he was an utter failure.

For the GE he promised lots of free money, and the Tories ran a terrible campaign....and he still lost.

Honest question...do you think his policies will be good for the economy?

[98elise]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

djc206 said:

It's takes quite a distorted view of things to see the Tories increasing their vote share from 36.8% to 42.3% as a signal of the impending death of Conservatism.

Look at it this way, the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections.

2010 - 7%
2015 - 6%
2017 - 2%

That's not a healthy trend. To try to argue otherwise is delusional. Every year which passes the electorate are asking what exactly the Cons are doing for them and their country. Not a lot is the answer and the swing to Labour will continue.

What are your thoughts on the drubbing he got in the local elections (before he started promising free money)?

[turbobloke]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

...the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections...

...was enough to beat Labour.

Now that Corbyn is closing the doors to the bank vault wth the magic money tree in it, as pledges to students go up in smoke, he'll find out what it's like to be Nick Clegg.

[Moonhawk]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

The swing to Labour was much, much larger

Because the UKIP loons returned to the mothership

(plus students believed Corbyn's BS)

[Moonhawk]

Donkey Of The Damned said:

Look at it this way, the Tories lead in the last 3 general elections.

2010 - 7%
2015 - 6%
2017 - 2%

That's not a healthy trend. To try to argue otherwise is delusional. Every year which passes the electorate are asking what exactly the Cons are doing for them and their country. Not a lot is the answer and the swing to Labour will continue.

But the Tories lead depends more on how well their competition is doing rather than how well they are doing. The Tories overall vote share has increased year on year - it's a return to largely two party politics that lead to the 2017 GE result with most of the previous support that UKIP and LD got -
seemingly going to Labour.

2010 - 36.1%
2015 - 36.8%
2017 - 42.3%

[Gargamel]

JC is 68, past the age of retirement.

If the Labour Party had any proper inclusive and diverse policies they would have elected a Female Party Leader by now. JC will be 72 by the time the next election comes round. Not sure he is the right person to connect with youth anymore

[sidicks]

Moonhawk said:

But the Tories lead depends more on how well their competition is doing rather than how well they are doing. The Tories overall vote share has increased year on year - it's a return to largely two party politics that lead to the 2017 GE result with most of the previous support that UKIP and LD got -
seemingly going to Labour.

2010 - 36.1%
2015 - 36.8%
2017 - 42.3%

You're wasting your time explaining the facts to Donkey, all he's interested in is ignorant rhetoric!

[Welshbeef]

When are the boundary changes going to happen?

Frankly the Torys would not want to have a GE before that - instead after that for an advantage over the status quo. Currently Labour have a significant boundary advantage over Torys.

All we want is a fair level playing field for he next election.

[edh]

Amuses me to see posters who I thought prided themselves on their forensic skills and objectivity falling for and repeating the latest Tory spin...

Student debt is different to Student fees. one was in the manifesto, (a pledge) one wasn't. Partial quotes out of context won't save you.

I know it's tough times for you when "none of the above" is the favourite for next Tory party leader, but have some self respect please