Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[motco]

More to do with promises of free money to all who ask.

[johnxjsc1985]

drainbrain said:

You don't think his popularity stems from a groundswell of dissatisfaction with capitalism amongst hardworking have-nots who have an instinct that they'd prefer to live in a 'reformed socialist' state ?

I don't think Socialists have a monopoly on not being happy with the current Political and financial climate.

[Yipper]

drainbrain said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

People are still pissed with Politics in this Country and if you don't vote Conservative Corbyn was the only show in town. Despite his own delusions he did not win the Election even though the consensus is the Conservative conducted a pretty suicidal campaign.
His only approach at present is sit back and pray Brexit fks up so they can reap the benefit of any backlash against the Conservatives.
This man has had decades in Parliament to show himself worthy of being a PM he is nothing more than a irritant backbencher.

You don't think his popularity stems from a groundswell of dissatisfaction with capitalism amongst hardworking have-nots who have an instinct that they'd prefer to live in a 'reformed socialist' state ?

Corbyn got popular because he is promising free stuff for everyone from cradle to grave. He knows most people are poor and they want someone to steal from the rich and give it to them. A reckless but clever strategy that was a whisker from success (he was only 2k votes from becoming PM).

[768]

drainbrain said:

You don't think his popularity stems from a groundswell of dissatisfaction with capitalism amongst hardworking have-nots who have an instinct that they'd prefer to live in a 'reformed socialist' state ?

No.

[drainbrain]

Yipper said:

drainbrain said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

People are still pissed with Politics in this Country and if you don't vote Conservative Corbyn was the only show in town. Despite his own delusions he did not win the Election even though the consensus is the Conservative conducted a pretty suicidal campaign.
His only approach at present is sit back and pray Brexit fks up so they can reap the benefit of any backlash against the Conservatives.
This man has had decades in Parliament to show himself worthy of being a PM he is nothing more than a irritant backbencher.

You don't think his popularity stems from a groundswell of dissatisfaction with capitalism amongst hardworking have-nots who have an instinct that they'd prefer to live in a 'reformed socialist' state ?

Corbyn got popular because he is promising free stuff for everyone from cradle to grave. He knows most people are poor and they want someone to steal from the rich and give it to them. A reckless but clever strategy that was a whisker from success (he was only 2k votes from becoming PM).

Lots of noise about not being able to buy a house, or own consumer goods without debt enslavement, or earn a decent wage with decent rights of employment, or get a full education without accumulating a huge financial burden, and exploitative utility and essential service systems and on and on and on. Shyte life as a worker getting nowhere except financial pressure and an old age in poverty whilst a smaller and smaller number own a greater and greater share and vanish into an isolated utopia whilst the vast majority are left to battle for survival.

Socialism beckoning. Maybe not very soon and maybe not Corbyn, but on the horizon. There's a growing demand for it and it won't be long till someone works out how to supply it acceptably.

[98elise]

drainbrain said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

People are still pissed with Politics in this Country and if you don't vote Conservative Corbyn was the only show in town. Despite his own delusions he did not win the Election even though the consensus is the Conservative conducted a pretty suicidal campaign.
His only approach at present is sit back and pray Brexit fks up so they can reap the benefit of any backlash against the Conservatives.
This man has had decades in Parliament to show himself worthy of being a PM he is nothing more than a irritant backbencher.

You don't think his popularity stems from a groundswell of dissatisfaction with capitalism amongst hardworking have-nots who have an instinct that they'd prefer to live in a 'reformed socialist' state ?

So why did labour get a drubbing at the local elections? Corbyn and Labour were all but written off in the lead up to the GE.

The mood changed when people were promised free stuff, extra taxes for the rich, and 4 days extra holiday.

My son is at Uni and the big driver for voting labour was free tuition. The most vocal labour supporters at work seemed to focus on how great it would be that their Landlords would be screwed by LVT and rent caps.

[Dr Jekyll]

drainbrain said:

Lots of noise about not being able to buy a house, or own consumer goods without debt enslavement, or earn a decent wage with decent rights of employment, or get a full education without accumulating a huge financial burden, and exploitative utility and essential service systems and on and on and on. Shyte life as a worker getting nowhere except financial pressure and an old age in poverty whilst a smaller and smaller number own a greater and greater share and vanish into an isolated utopia whilst the vast majority are left to battle for survival.

Socialism beckoning. Maybe not very soon and maybe not Corbyn, but on the horizon. There's a growing demand for it and it won't be long till someone works out how to supply it acceptably.

Can you name a socialist country where the 'hard working have nots' are better off than under capitalism?

[edh]

sidicks said:

edh said:

it was this..

edh said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Or would genuine austerity, IE spending less than income, have worked.

No

see Multiplier effect...

"Expansionary fiscal contraction" was a ridiculous concept from the start.

I already edited my post above. But I now understand the point you were making. Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you


I know we can both be quite abrasive, & nuance doesn't really come across well online so its easy to get into arguments

[sidicks]

edh said:

Thank you


I know we can both be quite abrasive, & nuance doesn't really come across well online so its easy to get into arguments

Some people take online discussions with random strangers far too seriously!

[drainbrain]

Dr Jekyll said:

Can you name a socialist country where the 'hard working have nots' are better off than under capitalism?

That's a question for the Corbynistas to answer if the idea is to dissuade them from furthering their planned alternative to remaining dissatisfied.

[Lance Catamaran]

drainbrain said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Can you name a socialist country where the 'hard working have nots' are better off than under capitalism?

That's a question for the Corbynistas to answer if the idea is to dissuade them from furthering their planned alternative to remaining dissatisfied.

Yes but that was real socialism

[johnxjsc1985]

drainbrain said:

Lots of noise about not being able to buy a house, or own consumer goods without debt enslavement, or earn a decent wage with decent rights of employment, or get a full education without accumulating a huge financial burden, and exploitative utility and essential service systems and on and on and on. Shyte life as a worker getting nowhere except financial pressure and an old age in poverty whilst a smaller and smaller number own a greater and greater share and vanish into an isolated utopia whilst the vast majority are left to battle for survival.

Socialism beckoning. Maybe not very soon and maybe not Corbyn, but on the horizon. There's a growing demand for it and it won't be long till someone works out how to supply it acceptably.

Socialism has been around quite a while now in many different guises all of which seem to ultimately fail and get mired in terrible corruption.

[edh]

Yet the 2017 manifesto policies are pretty much mainstream European social democratic so appear to be ok in Scandinavia or Germany.

[A57 HSV]

Perhaps Labour will go for a Denmark style car tax:
https://www.thelocal.dk/20151120/whats-the-deal-wi...

[johnxjsc1985]

did another Labour party member kill himself this week over certain type of allegations?

[motco]

johnxjsc1985 said:

did another Labour party member kill himself this week over certain type of allegations?

Someone died unexpectedly apparently. He'd been accused of Photoshopping people's faces on to porn models pictures.

[Jockman]

johnxjsc1985 said:

did another Labour party member kill himself this week over certain type of allegations?

Yes. The Times front page headlines. Not looking good.

[bazza white]

If the case is as stated as above i think its best the identity is kept quiet. The papers will only make it out to be dodgy porn with only a last sentence of truth that few will read.

[nikaiyo2]

Dr Jekyll said:

Can you name a socialist country where the 'hard working have nots' are better off than under capitalism?

Venezuela, Cuba and East Germany are well known workers paradises that Corbyn loves and sees as ideals.
Given the choice of what we have now or starvation and gulag it seems insane we are even having a debate. Comrade fight the rich and we can all live that Caracas lifestyle.

Young people don’t have to worry about buying houses... they have to worry about buying food.

[Fastdruid]

edh said:

Yet the 2017 manifesto policies are pretty much mainstream European social democratic so appear to be ok in Scandinavia or Germany.

Which is OK as long as people are also ok with the level of taxation that those same Scandinavian countries have.