Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
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chris watton said:
82% of the population of the once rich Venezuela now live in abject poverty. A couple of years ago, Corbyn said that he wants the UK to follow their example.
The population of that country is mostly homogenous, imagine the absolute medieval carnage Corbyn's flavour of broken ideology would cause to an already fragmented society that is the UK if he ever got his grubby hands on power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNjtpksJD4sThe population of that country is mostly homogenous, imagine the absolute medieval carnage Corbyn's flavour of broken ideology would cause to an already fragmented society that is the UK if he ever got his grubby hands on power.
Gargamel said:
There is no chance JC will ever be elected as PM
He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
Polling at circa 40% is a political disaster these days is it? He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
FN2TypeR said:
Polling at circa 40% is a political disaster these days is it?
Polls though eh, 
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
Polls are still interesting to look at I suppose, but after recent times, they should be given scant regard? Unless one is connected to that nutty prof type from the BBC, he always seems to be accurate.
Gargamel said:
There is no chance JC will ever be elected as PM
He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
The standard voter pretty much stays in the same team, irrespective of person; the individual can however influence quantity of vote (ie galvanise their voter base to trudge through the rain to vote) and influence the 10% of swing voters who generally decide most elections. For me he'd be a complete disaster, but I wouldn't rule out him getting in at all - as said above, anyone trying to predict things should take a look at how that went in the US, Brexit, Macron etc.He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
BlackLabel said:
Gargamel said:
There is no chance JC will ever be elected as PM
People said the same about Brexit and Trump.The same people think Corbyn has a chance when the chances are they're wrong again.
The superficial difference this time is that they're saying something could happen rather than it never will. Wrong, wrong, and...wrong.
NJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Chukka has already let that cat out of the bagNJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Labours position or his position as hes said one thing before and party members have gone the other way regarding brexit.NJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit. Ben Bradley.. http://www.itv.com/news/2018-02-24/tory-mp-apologi...
"On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, 'Ben Bradley MP (@bbradleymp)', about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies.
I have since deleted the defamatory tweet. I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.
I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.
I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.
– APOLOGY BY BEN BRADLEY MP
"On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, 'Ben Bradley MP (@bbradleymp)', about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies.
I have since deleted the defamatory tweet. I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.
I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.
I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.
– APOLOGY BY BEN BRADLEY MP
edh said:
NJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit. There are high population density areas with large proportions of young Labour voters - these largely back remain/softer Brexit.
Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.
So, backing a softer Brexit will appease those who vote Labour in student towns and inner cities. That could lose them a lot of votes (who typically won't vote for anyone else, but just won't turn out) in other constituencies.
It's a toss up which has the net lowest loss.
Sway said:
edh said:
NJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit. There are high population density areas with large proportions of young Labour voters - these largely back remain/softer Brexit.
Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.
So, backing a softer Brexit will appease those who vote Labour in student towns and inner cities. That could lose them a lot of votes (who typically won't vote for anyone else, but just won't turn out) in other constituencies.
It's a toss up which has the net lowest loss.
Where I live in the North West we’ve had a Labour MP since 1992 currently with 50% of the vote about 6% ahead of the tories
However the area, in fact most of the region voted leave .. the vote leave in my area was 68%
I certainly don’t get the feeling that in my area people wanted a “soft Brexit” or a Brexit in name only
They wanted OUT of the EU and tbf I don’t think that sentiment has changed at all, possibly it has even hardened
Sway said:
edh said:
NJH said:
Sorry to cross over threads. It is expected he is about to give a speech outlining Labours position to stay in the customs union (or something more or less the same). This whilst very popular amongst the parties base will clearly be attacked as betraying Brexit and will alienate the working class voters outside of the south east. I suspect that within a week Labour will drop back to their former pre election position.
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit. There are high population density areas with large proportions of young Labour voters - these largely back remain/softer Brexit.
Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.
So, backing a softer Brexit will appease those who vote Labour in student towns and inner cities. That could lose them a lot of votes (who typically won't vote for anyone else, but just won't turn out) in other constituencies.
It's a toss up which has the net lowest loss.
Lots of non labour voters have the possibility to switch if Tories fail to get a good exit agreement as a result of opposition to cu/sm. See massive swings in london opinion polls fir example with labour up 16% in a recent one. Several flagship tory councils under threat.
The elephant in the room is the UKIP vote
In the last election in my constituency it’s vote collapsed by 17% with all those voters going back to the two main parties, both of which had pro Brexit manifestos
If labour go back on that promise where will the share of the UKIP vote go next time ?
The Nortn West, Yorkshire, West Mids and the North East are all industrial areas with lots of labour Mp’s ... but crucially they all voted massively in favour of Brexit a sin terms of voter numbers and probably MP’s they are more crucial than London and it’s metropolitan elite
In the last election in my constituency it’s vote collapsed by 17% with all those voters going back to the two main parties, both of which had pro Brexit manifestos
If labour go back on that promise where will the share of the UKIP vote go next time ?
The Nortn West, Yorkshire, West Mids and the North East are all industrial areas with lots of labour Mp’s ... but crucially they all voted massively in favour of Brexit a sin terms of voter numbers and probably MP’s they are more crucial than London and it’s metropolitan elite
Somebody said :
“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 24th February 16:02
Earthdweller said:
EDH said :
“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
I think you got your quoting mixed up“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
edh said:
Earthdweller said:
EDH said :
“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
I think you got your quoting mixed up“Then you have the traditional Labour heartlands that cover more more rural areas. These are the opposite.”
Disagree .. the rural areas vote conservative, the high population density urban industrial areas vote Labour .. but also are massively in favour of Brexit as are the rural conservative voting areas
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