Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
mx5nut said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Do you think David Lamey will apologise for his accusations after Grenfell Tower ?
It's always time for whataboutism.Now, do you think the little Lamb should ?
Simple question, will you answer it?
I will bet you will not. (which will show you for what you really are)
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Saturday 24th February 20:53
Labour takes lead in polls after Czech spy claims fail to damage Jeremy Corbyn support
Are his critics really too thick to realise that making demonstrably false accusations against him will only serve to make the general public doubt any real criticisms made next time?
Are his critics really too thick to realise that making demonstrably false accusations against him will only serve to make the general public doubt any real criticisms made next time?
Fittster said:
The Labour party, on behalf of Corbyn said, "Donations to charity, plus apology or its court". If Bradley was confident in his accusations he could have said "See you in court". If he'd won, his career would have been made and he'd have finished Corbyn. Trouble is he wasn't going to win.
He wasn't going to win because he had no way if proving it. It doesn't mean to say he was wrong.Corbyn says it's all a smear. Ex MI6 chief, Sir Richard Dearlove says Corbyn has questions to answer. I know who I believe.
sidicks said:
Fittster said:
The Labour party, on behalf of Corbyn said, "Donations to charity, plus apology or its court". If Bradley was confident in his accusations he could have said "See you in court". If he'd won, his career would have been made and he'd have finished Corbyn. Trouble is he wasn't going to win.
Katie Hopkins is having to sell her house because she wouldn't back down after making a false accusation.
So you think that the Tories should threaten Lamey in the same way?Katie Hopkins is having to sell her house because she wouldn't back down after making a false accusation.
Why do you think the Tories haven't gone legal (they don't have a case?)?
As the case of Katie Hopkins has shown make false allegations about someone is a very expensive business.
Edited by Fittster on Saturday 24th February 21:05
The Dangerous Elk said:
I agree, he made an error and he should have publicly apologised for it. I am glad he had the balls and the self-respect to admit in public he was wrong.
Now, do you think the little Lamb should ?
Simple question, will you answer it?
I will bet you will not. (which will show you for what you really are)
MX5, are you going to answer or not ?Now, do you think the little Lamb should ?
Simple question, will you answer it?
I will bet you will not. (which will show you for what you really are)
loafer123 said:
Einion Yrth said:
Sway said:
Fittster said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Do you think David Lamey will apologise for his accusations after Grenfell Tower ?
If he's defamed someone they have a legal path open to them. You make untrue statements, such as 'Corbyn sold secrets' you maybe faced with an expensive and humiliating climb down. Even Katie Hopkins has been able to learn that one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw
Russian Troll Bot said:
loafer123 said:
Einion Yrth said:
Sway said:
Fittster said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Do you think David Lamey will apologise for his accusations after Grenfell Tower ?
If he's defamed someone they have a legal path open to them. You make untrue statements, such as 'Corbyn sold secrets' you maybe faced with an expensive and humiliating climb down. Even Katie Hopkins has been able to learn that one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw
Fittster said:
Marx states that capitalism is unstable, how much laughter do people get from Gordon Brown's quote about banishing boom and bust? So you can't class Gordon Brown as a Marxist but those who think boom and bust are an inherit part of a capitalist system are signing up to a Marxist position.
Who's claimed Gordon Brown was a Marxist?McDonnell however, clearly is. Self admitted.
Do you think many Scandinavian policitians (especially ones with a shot at being Chancellor) would call themselves Marxist, and want a planned economy?
Sway said:
Fittster said:
Marx states that capitalism is unstable, how much laughter do people get from Gordon Brown's quote about banishing boom and bust? So you can't class Gordon Brown as a Marxist but those who think boom and bust are an inherit part of a capitalist system are signing up to a Marxist position.
Who's claimed Gordon Brown was a Marxist?McDonnell however, clearly is. Self admitted.
Do you think many Scandinavian policitians (especially ones with a shot at being Chancellor) would call themselves Marxist, and want a planned economy?
Marxism is a economic framework to analyse capitalism. If you use that framework one conclusion you will come to is capitalism is inherently unstable (boom and bust). I don't think there's anything particularly controversial there. Keynesian economics also deals heavily with boom and bust.
If you think boom and bust can be removed from the system your with Gordon Brown.
If you think that booms and busts are inevitable then its a good idea to have policies in place to deal with the busts. For example a welfare state that can support workers that are laid off during a down turn.
Thinking that using a Marxist critique of capitalism means that someone is in favour of a centrally planned economy is quite a large assumption. The central thrust of Marx is about freedom of workers from exploitation. Clearly you don't like Marx, so maybe Adam Smith is more your sort of economist
"capitalism makes workers as "stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become."
Gargamel said:
There is no chance JC will ever be elected as PM
He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
I'll still put £10 on it just so corbyn can take it away if he wins He had a base of around 25% of the vote. That is it.
He is politial disaster for the Labour party and wil make them unelectable. They may never get back into powet because if what has happened to the party machine post Miliband.
Who would be the next Labout leader ? Anyone with any centre appeal has been executed by the left. You can't win a UK GE from 'over there'
The Conservatives are in an awful mess and the polls are still neck and neck. In any future GE whilst old man Corbyn is still Labour leader they will lose.
Fittster said:
I'm saying that Marx viewed boom and bust as inherent part of a capitalist economic model.
Marxism is a economic framework to analyse capitalism. If you use that framework one conclusion you will come to is capitalism is inherently unstable (boom and bust). I don't think there's anything particularly controversial there. Keynesian economics also deals heavily with boom and bust.
If you think boom and bust can be removed from the system your with Gordon Brown.
If you think that booms and busts are inevitable then its a good idea to have policies in place to deal with the busts. For example a welfare state that can support workers that are laid off during a down turn.
Thinking that using a Marxist critique of capitalism means that someone is in favour of a centrally planned economy is quite a large assumption. The central thrust of Marx is about freedom of workers from exploitation. Clearly you don't like Marx, so maybe Adam Smith is more your sort of economist
"capitalism makes workers as "stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become."
The cyclical nature of prosperity was recognised long before Marx. Marx's contribution was to suggest that the busts were symptoms of a fundamental weakness of capitalism and would get progressively worse until capitalism collapsed. The fact that boom and bust was happening long before anything we could recognise as capitalism passed him by.Marxism is a economic framework to analyse capitalism. If you use that framework one conclusion you will come to is capitalism is inherently unstable (boom and bust). I don't think there's anything particularly controversial there. Keynesian economics also deals heavily with boom and bust.
If you think boom and bust can be removed from the system your with Gordon Brown.
If you think that booms and busts are inevitable then its a good idea to have policies in place to deal with the busts. For example a welfare state that can support workers that are laid off during a down turn.
Thinking that using a Marxist critique of capitalism means that someone is in favour of a centrally planned economy is quite a large assumption. The central thrust of Marx is about freedom of workers from exploitation. Clearly you don't like Marx, so maybe Adam Smith is more your sort of economist
"capitalism makes workers as "stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become."
Fittster said:
Sway said:
Fittster said:
Marx states that capitalism is unstable, how much laughter do people get from Gordon Brown's quote about banishing boom and bust? So you can't class Gordon Brown as a Marxist but those who think boom and bust are an inherit part of a capitalist system are signing up to a Marxist position.
Who's claimed Gordon Brown was a Marxist?McDonnell however, clearly is. Self admitted.
Do you think many Scandinavian policitians (especially ones with a shot at being Chancellor) would call themselves Marxist, and want a planned economy?
Marxism is a economic framework to analyse capitalism. If you use that framework one conclusion you will come to is capitalism is inherently unstable (boom and bust). I don't think there's anything particularly controversial there. Keynesian economics also deals heavily with boom and bust.
If you think boom and bust can be removed from the system your with Gordon Brown.
If you think that booms and busts are inevitable then its a good idea to have policies in place to deal with the busts. For example a welfare state that can support workers that are laid off during a down turn.
Thinking that using a Marxist critique of capitalism means that someone is in favour of a centrally planned economy is quite a large assumption. The central thrust of Marx is about freedom of workers from exploitation. Clearly you don't like Marx, so maybe Adam Smith is more your sort of economist
"capitalism makes workers as "stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become."
I'm making no assumption about McDonnell's desire for a centrally planned economy, he says it himself in that video. He is a true Marxist - no socialist, as per the Scandinavians, but a communist.
Do you support McDonnell's aim?
If not, why keep deflecting?
The Dangerous Elk said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
I agree, he made an error and he should have publicly apologised for it. I am glad he had the balls and the self-respect to admit in public he was wrong.
Now, do you think the little Lamb should ?
Simple question, will you answer it?
I will bet you will not. (which will show you for what you really are)
MX5, are you going to answer or not ?Now, do you think the little Lamb should ?
Simple question, will you answer it?
I will bet you will not. (which will show you for what you really are)
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