Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[davepoth]

RichB said:

LordLoveLength said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personal...

Why wasn’t his history dragged up during the GE? Some very unpleasant things coming to light recently.

Either because the Tories were being strategic thought he was an easy target so didn't want to see the party replace him or... the Tories didn't do a very good job.

I honestly don't think it would have made a difference in the election - what's genius about the way it's being handled right now (and I have a feeling that it's not just the media involved) is that it's a constant drip feed of nastiness about Corbyn. It's been a while since there's been much positive about Labour or Jezza in the press, and it's that sort of pressure that tells.

[Johnnytheboy]

NJH said:

Johnnytheboy said:

This book is worth a read.

Clearly sets out to be dispassionate on communist theory, and proceeds to rubbish it in the most measured tone possible.

If someone could read this and still ascribe to Marxist theory then they clearly have a head you could see clear through from one ear to the other.

Thanks for the reference, I was thinking more of Hayek as he wrote extensively on this subjec6t area as well of course on the economic theories he is famous for.

Loads in pdf from here:
http://hayekcenter.org/?page_id=9

The Road to Serfdom is brilliant.

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

dandarez said:

He was the only contender against Corbyn in the 2016 Labour leadership election, thought everyone knew this?

Angela Eagle also ran, but then pulled out when she didn't get the noms she thought she would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOIofb-ctM

There is a great one where she is slagging Boris Johnson off and finds he has resigned

[williamp]

davepoth said:

RichB said:

LordLoveLength said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personal...

Why wasn’t his history dragged up during the GE? Some very unpleasant things coming to light recently.

Either because the Tories were being strategic thought he was an easy target so didn't want to see the party replace him or... the Tories didn't do a very good job.

I honestly don't think it would have made a difference in the election - what's genius about the way it's being handled right now (and I have a feeling that it's not just the media involved) is that it's a constant drip feed of nastiness about Corbyn. It's been a while since there's been much positive about Labour or Jezza in the press, and it's that sort of pressure that tells.

A death by a thousand cuts. The same approach with ukip before the cameron/ wrong brother general election. See also the lefgies kn the JRM thread. Hoffiried about sonmene being a catholic, silent on corbhn being a racist...sorry...antisemite

[anonymous-user]

techiedave said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOIofb-ctM

Shows how amazing it is that Corbyn

A) won leadership contest, survived numerous resignations, vote of no confidence, 80% of Parliamentary Labour Party wanting him out, criticism from all ex labour leaders, criticism from entire media.

And

B) cemented his position as leader and reduced conservatives lead in election.

[jmorgan]

El stovey said:

techiedave said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOIofb-ctM

Shows how amazing it is that Corbyn

A) won leadership contest, survived numerous resignations, vote of no confidence, 80% of Parliamentary Labour Party wanting him out, criticism from all ex labour leaders, criticism from entire media.

And

B) cemented his position as leader and reduced conservatives lead in election.

Lots of people had him on the scrap heap. Len saw something in this one.

[ellroy]

jmorgan said:

Lots of people had him on the scrap heap. Len saw something in this one.

Yep, someone he could grab by the short and curlies and control.

Edited by ellroy on Sunday 25th March 19:08

[Efbe]

williamp said:

davepoth said:

RichB said:

LordLoveLength said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personal...

Why wasn’t his history dragged up during the GE? Some very unpleasant things coming to light recently.

Either because the Tories were being strategic thought he was an easy target so didn't want to see the party replace him or... the Tories didn't do a very good job.

I honestly don't think it would have made a difference in the election - what's genius about the way it's being handled right now (and I have a feeling that it's not just the media involved) is that it's a constant drip feed of nastiness about Corbyn. It's been a while since there's been much positive about Labour or Jezza in the press, and it's that sort of pressure that tells.

A death by a thousand cuts. The same approach with ukip before the cameron/ wrong brother general election. See also the lefgies kn the JRM thread. Hoffiried about sonmene being a catholic, silent on corbhn being a racist...sorry...antisemite

where does this corbyn, anti-semitic thing come from?

is it an actual thing, or just something people are hoping to be true.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Efbe said:

williamp said:

davepoth said:

RichB said:

LordLoveLength said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personal...

Why wasn’t his history dragged up during the GE? Some very unpleasant things coming to light recently.

Either because the Tories were being strategic thought he was an easy target so didn't want to see the party replace him or... the Tories didn't do a very good job.

I honestly don't think it would have made a difference in the election - what's genius about the way it's being handled right now (and I have a feeling that it's not just the media involved) is that it's a constant drip feed of nastiness about Corbyn. It's been a while since there's been much positive about Labour or Jezza in the press, and it's that sort of pressure that tells.

A death by a thousand cuts. The same approach with ukip before the cameron/ wrong brother general election. See also the lefgies kn the JRM thread. Hoffiried about sonmene being a catholic, silent on corbhn being a racist...sorry...antisemite

where does this corbyn, anti-semitic thing come from?

is it an actual thing, or just something people are hoping to be true.

It mainly comes from the fact he has spent decades associating with anti-Semites and ordered a whitewash report to say there was no problem with it in the party

[anonymous-user]

Russian Troll Bot said:

It mainly comes from the fact he has spent decades associating with anti-Semites and ordered a whitewash report to say there was no problem with it in the party

Right but do you think he’s actually anti Semitic? I certainly think he’s anti Israel and has some dodgy friends and company but I’m not convinced he’s anti Semitic.

Either way, there’s no point in trying to smear him because he’s apparently bulletproof and can’t be overthrown or discredited in the eyes of his supporters.

[AstonZagato]

El stovey said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

It mainly comes from the fact he has spent decades associating with anti-Semites and ordered a whitewash report to say there was no problem with it in the party

Right but do you think he’s actually anti Semitic? I certainly think he’s anti Israel and has some dodgy friends and company but I’m not convinced he’s anti Semitic.

Either way, there’s no point in trying to smear him because he’s apparently bulletproof and can’t be overthrown or discredited in the eyes of his supporters.

Quite. If this were a Tory, there would be outrage. Resignation would be demanded.

However, Corbyn is Teflon. Short of him being caught in the act of pederasty with a minor, there is nothing that he can do or say or be associated with that will damage his reputation in the eyes of his supporters. That, strangely, seems to have a partial knock on to the wider electorate (similar phenomenon happens with Boris too, to be fair).

However, he cannot seem to make significant headway. Only two points ahead in the polls, he still seems to be Labour’s problem. They should be holding a double digit lead at this point in the Parliament. He is way behind May when people are asked who would make the best Prime Minister and his approval ratings are negative.

[anonymous-user]

AstonZagato said:

However, he cannot seem to make significant headway. Only two points ahead in the polls, he still seems to be Labour’s problem. They should be holding a double digit lead at this point in the Parliament. He is way behind May when people are asked who would make the best Prime Minister and his approval ratings are negative.

Why do momentum or whoever’s calling the shots ACTUALLY want Corbyn as their man though?

He’s dull and lacking in charisma and hasn’t really got any redeeming characteristics.

If you actually wanted a revolutionary Marxist, there must be some with a bit more appeal that Corby?

I’m no Jacob Rees Mogg fan but he’s got style and people want to follow him. Even the Maybot looks a bit sinister and menacing sometimes.

Corby is just boring. He’s the least likely student motivator I can imagine. I know he’s just offering free stuff but really?

Look at Bernie Saunders, he’s a nice old bloke, I like him, he’d do well as s Lib Dem or a labour leader. Corbyn is just a bit rubbish and hapless and he’s friends with terrorists.

[Russian Troll Bot]

AstonZagato said:

El stovey said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

It mainly comes from the fact he has spent decades associating with anti-Semites and ordered a whitewash report to say there was no problem with it in the party

Right but do you think he’s actually anti Semitic? I certainly think he’s anti Israel and has some dodgy friends and company but I’m not convinced he’s anti Semitic.

Either way, there’s no point in trying to smear him because he’s apparently bulletproof and can’t be overthrown or discredited in the eyes of his supporters.

Quite. If this were a Tory, there would be outrage. Resignation would be demanded.

However, Corbyn is Teflon. Short of him being caught in the act of pederasty with a minor, there is nothing that he can do or say or be associated with that will damage his reputation in the eyes of his supporters. That, strangely, seems to have a partial knock on to the wider electorate (similar phenomenon happens with Boris too, to be fair).

However, he cannot seem to make significant headway. Only two points ahead in the polls, he still seems to be Labour’s problem. They should be holding a double digit lead at this point in the Parliament. He is way behind May when people are asked who would make the best Prime Minister and his approval ratings are negative.

I'd say he isn't, but nor is he overly bothered about it either. If the Jew-hating, holocaust-denying figures he's worked with and given a platform to were far right, his career would be (quite rightly) over. But, as you rightly say, his cult of personality is such that there are those who will loudly defend him no matter what, and come down like a pack of dogs on anyone seen to have slighted him. Just look what happened with the supposedly photoshopped hat, even when presented with evidence he had worn it on many occasions, his supporters were still trying to claim Newsnight changed the angles to make it look more Soviet.

They may well be bitter enemies, but the similarities between them and Trump supporters are remarkable.

[The Dangerous Elk]

His supporters are not the ones that will get him elected.

Brexit going well
May looking stronger than ever
Jobs good
Economy good
Pay up
Relations with the Eu firm and solid on security
Eu leaders realising they should not damage May or they get Corbyn

looking good for May/Cons and st for the old Marxist and his mad friends.

[Efbe]

Russian Troll Bot said:

Efbe said:

williamp said:

davepoth said:

RichB said:

LordLoveLength said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personal...

Why wasn’t his history dragged up during the GE? Some very unpleasant things coming to light recently.

Either because the Tories were being strategic thought he was an easy target so didn't want to see the party replace him or... the Tories didn't do a very good job.

I honestly don't think it would have made a difference in the election - what's genius about the way it's being handled right now (and I have a feeling that it's not just the media involved) is that it's a constant drip feed of nastiness about Corbyn. It's been a while since there's been much positive about Labour or Jezza in the press, and it's that sort of pressure that tells.

A death by a thousand cuts. The same approach with ukip before the cameron/ wrong brother general election. See also the lefgies kn the JRM thread. Hoffiried about sonmene being a catholic, silent on corbhn being a racist...sorry...antisemite

where does this corbyn, anti-semitic thing come from?

is it an actual thing, or just something people are hoping to be true.

It mainly comes from the fact he has spent decades associating with anti-Semites and ordered a whitewash report to say there was no problem with it in the party

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710

ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Efbe said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710

ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.

Nice try defending him

Fixed this for him/BBC
"Jeremy Corbyn has said he is "sincerely sorry" for the pain caused by "the MASSIVE amounts of anti-Semitism" in the Labour party."

[Justayellowbadge]

Efbe said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710

ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.

Delusional.

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

looking good for May/Cons and st for the old Marxist and his mad friends.

I’m not sure it is looking good for the conservatives

If it is though, it’s because Corbyn and McDonnell are the alternative.

I think pretty much any other labour leader would actually be ahead in the polls.

Like the end of the Major era, the time is ripe for another Blair type leader to win a landslide but labour look set on Corbyn till he dies. The conservatives are getting away with loads at the moment, because they’ve simply not got an effective opposition.

[The Dangerous Elk]

all wrong

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Efbe said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710

ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.

Nice try defending him

Fixed this for him/BBC
"Jeremy Corbyn has said he is "sincerely sorry" for the pain caused by "the MASSIVE amounts of anti-Semitism" in the Labour party."

So he’s not anti Semitic then and trying to stop out (any) anti-Semitism ? Or are you saying he is anti Semitic ?