Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
El stovey said:
So he’s not anti Semitic then and trying to stop out (any) anti-Semitism ? Or are you saying he is anti Semitic ?
Every time he has stood on a platform proclaiming the worth of Hezbollah and Hammas he was clearly pushing his pro Jewish agenda. He has spent decades befriending anyone that he sees as an enemy of the establishment he wants to destroy.
The f
ker is now, somehow, improbably, a senior figure in that establishment. His associations taint him deeply.
Edited by Justayellowbadge on Sunday 25th March 20:24
The Dangerous Elk said:
Efbe said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710
ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.
Nice try defending himok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.
Fixed this for him/BBC
"Jeremy Corbyn has said he is "sincerely sorry" for the pain caused by "the MASSIVE amounts of anti-Semitism" in the Labour party."
Justayellowbadge said:
Delusional.
I am not trying to defend him, nor delusional.I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
El stovey said:
Shows how amazing it is that Corbyn
A) won leadership contest, survived numerous resignations, vote of no confidence, 80% of Parliamentary Labour Party wanting him out, criticism from all ex labour leaders, criticism from entire media.
And
B) cemented his position as leader and reduced conservatives lead in election.
It's certainly been surprising. A) won leadership contest, survived numerous resignations, vote of no confidence, 80% of Parliamentary Labour Party wanting him out, criticism from all ex labour leaders, criticism from entire media.
And
B) cemented his position as leader and reduced conservatives lead in election.
Efbe said:
I am not trying to defend him, nor delusional.
I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
Your questions seem entirely reasonable to me. He doesn’t seem obviously anti Semitic to me either. I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
AstonZagato said:
I would be very sure that he is vehemently against the concept of anti-Semitism. However, I’d be less sure that his support for pro-Palestinian, anti-Zionist, anti-capitalist groups or individuals has not ended up getting him dangerously close to embracing anti-Semitic views.
I suppose he just mentally substitutes Israel for Jewish, every time one of these groups says something anti Semitic. Perhaps they just tone down the anti semitism when he comes over for hamas, I mean humus.
El stovey said:
I’m not sure it is looking good for the conservatives
If it is though, it’s because Corbyn and McDonnell are the alternative.
I think pretty much any other labour leader would actually be ahead in the polls.
Like the end of the Major era, the time is ripe for another Blair type leader to win a landslide but labour look set on Corbyn till he dies. The conservatives are getting away with loads at the moment, because they’ve simply not got an effective opposition.
Things don't look good for the torys, they don't look bad. No-one knows how things ook, I think anyone that thinks they know is kidding themselves.If it is though, it’s because Corbyn and McDonnell are the alternative.
I think pretty much any other labour leader would actually be ahead in the polls.
Like the end of the Major era, the time is ripe for another Blair type leader to win a landslide but labour look set on Corbyn till he dies. The conservatives are getting away with loads at the moment, because they’ve simply not got an effective opposition.
But are the torys better off because of JC? The downturn for Labour started happening at the Iraq war, eventually it hit the point where they lost power, and it was still going down with MiIlliband, it started to go up around the time JC became leader, was it JC becoming leader that did this, was it causal or connected, or was he simply riding that eventual rebound, would any other leader have done the same? JC was nominated as a 'joke', and then everything was done to try and get rid of him, for a few years, and yet despite that Labour grew in support and numbers. So would Owen SMith, or Chukka or any of the others be ahead in the polls? I'm not sure. Cameron was a Blair clone, he went, the personality free Maybot may be the best sort of leader for the torys for now, the genuine JC may be the best sort of leader for labour.
Well he sounds like a nice bloke, I wonder what sort of voice he would be?
Raed Salah said:
We {Muslims} have never allowed ourselves to knead [the dough for] the bread that breaks the fast in the holy month of Ramadan with children's blood. Whoever wants a more thorough explanation, let him ask what used to happen to some children in Europe, whose blood was mixed in with the dough of the {Jewish} holy bread.
Read Salah said:
you haters, you midgets, you little insolent people – whether in America, in France, or in Denmark. ... You are slaves to global Zionism ... to Protestant Zionism ... to the Crusader hatred. You should know that we are coming to you with the compassion of Islam to deliver you from the ignominy of your slavery
Read Salah said:
Inshallah, Jerusalem will soon become the capital of the global caliphate
Efbe said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43535710
ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.
THat seems to be the gist if it from what has actually been said and done.ok, so now he has admitted and apologised.
I guess from lack of any evidence it was just people hoping he was anti-semitic rather than anything else.
williamp said:
A death by a thousand cuts. The same approach with ukip before the cameron/ wrong brother general election. See also the lefgies kn the JRM thread. Hoffiried about sonmene being a catholic, silent on corbhn being a racist...sorry...antisemite
I’m not a leftie. I’m a Thacher-admiring Tory, who believed in Cameron until he lazily held that stupid referendum he assumed would go the other way. I think UKIP was a stty little party, a coalition of middle class Butfon-Tuftons and working class racists. I was brought up Catholic. I cannot abide JRM. I cannot stand Corbyn. I hate anti-semitism. I hate racism, but get angry every time Corbyn, when asked if he condemns anti-semitism, deflects by saying he condemns all racism.How do I fit into your little boxes?
El stovey said:
It always seems odd when people join and then post loads of these very polarised opinions in a car forum.
You’re one of the returned banned posters aren’t you?
Only polarised because YOU think so. I think what you posted was all wrong and that is a simple concept, do try to grap it.You’re one of the returned banned posters aren’t you?
No
Do you put your tinfoil hat on at bedtime ?
Guido has the letter:
https://order-order.com/2018/03/25/read-jewish-lea...
It's almost as if they knew what Corbyn was going to say.
https://order-order.com/2018/03/25/read-jewish-lea...
It's almost as if they knew what Corbyn was going to say.
El stovey said:
Efbe said:
I am not trying to defend him, nor delusional.
I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
Your questions seem entirely reasonable to me. He doesn’t seem obviously anti Semitic to me either.I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
https://order-order.com/tag/anti-semitism/
Gargamel said:
El stovey said:
Efbe said:
I am not trying to defend him, nor delusional.
I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
Your questions seem entirely reasonable to me. He doesn’t seem obviously anti Semitic to me either.I asked what the route cause of this theory that he is anti-semetic is.
I was offered the explanations that he hasn't said enough in response the anti-semitism in the labour ranks. coincidentally a minute later, the BBC had that story so I posted it.
therefore I am asking, is there more proof, or is this now finished, or is there something else I should realise about this situation?
https://order-order.com/tag/anti-semitism/
However there are two instances in there, one of which he has praised an artist who painter a mural that was anti-semitic, and the other inviting someone who said something anti-semetic once to tea. However, no quotes, evidence or even names, so I can't go away and check on these.
On the other hand, I work with thousands of people, some are racist. I have been on nights out with people that I have later found out are incredibly racist. That doesn't make me racist though. I would expect a politicians job will be continuous invites, daily chats to people etc. I don't expect them to know everything about everyone they talk to.
Essentially if someone is to actually be anti-semetic, I want a bit more proof than... "there is an artist I won't name, that painted something that might or might not have been anti-semetic, that corbyn may or may not have once said something that may or may not have been complementary about, for which we have no idea of the circumstance, timeline, how well known this guy is/was etc etc."
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