Discussion
crankedup said:
All said with considerable non aplomb and avoidance of genuine issues raised. You are an invaluable member of this forum. 
Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
That may be but if he doesn't have 2 wheels instead of 4 and wear leathers he has along long way to go to rival someone else Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
techiedave said:
I mentioned elsewhere that I think the Tories should just take a political deep breath and run for it alone. Personally I would admire them if they did. To be totally blunt I feel the DUP are bigging themselves up too much and with all that's going on they should look to the wider picture. If a large scale Radical attack takes place in NI they will be s
tting it and they should think back to their past history and realise how much calmer things are now. Put another way they are too self obsessed to be trusted.
I would genuinely admire Mrs May if she just took that breath and went for it
I agree - would actually show she had a bigger pair.......tting it and they should think back to their past history and realise how much calmer things are now. Put another way they are too self obsessed to be trusted.I would genuinely admire Mrs May if she just took that breath and went for it
techiedave said:
crankedup said:
All said with considerable non aplomb and avoidance of genuine issues raised. You are an invaluable member of this forum.
Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
That may be but if he doesn't have 2 wheels instead of 4 and wear leathers he has along long way to go to rival someone else Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
I didn't put it too well before. By a radical attack I mean something like Manchester or London. I am genuinely concerned that politicians are too self absorbed in their own crap again to understand the threat is ever present. I meant if such an attack takes place in NI the if the DUP have been dragging things out in negotiations. If they have been bigging their importance up then they would have to look at how much of the Governments time they had unnecessarily used up.
Again its not put that well but maybe someone gets the point
Again its not put that well but maybe someone gets the point
crankedup said:
techiedave said:
crankedup said:
All said with considerable non aplomb and avoidance of genuine issues raised. You are an invaluable member of this forum.
Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
That may be but if he doesn't have 2 wheels instead of 4 and wear leathers he has along long way to go to rival someone else Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
techiedave said:
crankedup said:
techiedave said:
crankedup said:
All said with considerable non aplomb and avoidance of genuine issues raised. You are an invaluable member of this forum.
Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
That may be but if he doesn't have 2 wheels instead of 4 and wear leathers he has along long way to go to rival someone else Another poster with far too much to say whilst saying nothing at all.
Derek Smith said:
Does anyone think that there will be a block on labour coming into this country post brexit?
I'm sure farmers have pointed out that they need thousands come autumn. Then there are nurses and doctors. Then qualified plumbers and electricians. And others. Nothing will change. The perceived need to keep down wages will override any honesty in the stats showing how brexit has meant a cap on immigrants.
This^^ business are already screaming at the gov about the proposed caps. Every single industry that needs immigrant workers will be lobbying for visas to be allocated for them etc. so that they don't fall flat on their arse when UK workers don't fancy picking fruit or serving coffee.I'm sure farmers have pointed out that they need thousands come autumn. Then there are nurses and doctors. Then qualified plumbers and electricians. And others. Nothing will change. The perceived need to keep down wages will override any honesty in the stats showing how brexit has meant a cap on immigrants.
I guarantee you that if we do "gain control" of our borders from EU immigrants but allow our industries to import the people they need, we're going to have as near as makes no practical difference the same number of immigrants coming in we have now, except with a s
te load of red tape, lag, and extra costs added in that'll dwarf any benefits gained from weeding out the spongers.And if we don't let them in and the economy falters as a result, it'll be the demographics who voted Leave for "control" who'll be adversely affected the most and scream the loudest. The irony is strong.
Mario149 said:
This^^ business are already screaming at the gov about the proposed caps. Every single industry that needs immigrant workers will be lobbying for visas to be allocated for them etc. so that they don't fall flat on their arse when UK workers don't fancy picking fruit or serving coffee.
I guarantee you that if we do "gain control" of our borders from EU immigrants but allow our industries to import the people they need, we're going to have as near as makes no practical difference the same number of immigrants coming in we have now, except with a ste load of red tape, lag, and extra costs added in that'll dwarf any benefits gained from weeding out the spongers.
And if we don't let them in and the economy falters as a result, it'll be the demographics who voted Leave for "control" who'll be adversely affected the most and scream the loudest. The irony is strong.
I guarantee you that if we do "gain control" of our borders from EU immigrants but allow our industries to import the people they need, we're going to have as near as makes no practical difference the same number of immigrants coming in we have now, except with a s
te load of red tape, lag, and extra costs added in that'll dwarf any benefits gained from weeding out the spongers.And if we don't let them in and the economy falters as a result, it'll be the demographics who voted Leave for "control" who'll be adversely affected the most and scream the loudest. The irony is strong.
We'll be throwing them in to replace the uncontrolled emigration from people who've settled & lived here for years, paid their way & now look at the parochial inward looking mindset engulfing the political debate & thinking to themselves: fk this, we're off. Jockman said:
Jimboka said:
As the DUP 'deal' is looking a bit rocky, will May try to form a coalition with the LDs, now that Farron has quit?
I can't see the LDs doing it TBH, after they got shafted last time. What goes around comes around & all that..
It wouldn't surprise me if feelers had been put out. I can't see the LDs doing it TBH, after they got shafted last time. What goes around comes around & all that..
An opportunity to exorsise that ghost.
They stabbed themselves last time by going back on a promise so they can't, surely, do that again.
This morning on the news one of their lot said that they will now push for positive forms of brexit. She made some good points, such as May going to the country to support a hard brexit and failing to get the majority she wanted. So another, more conciliatory option should be the route. This was not supported by the tory mp who was the only confrontational one out of the three there.
I wonder if the lds have approached the tories to put their point of view rather than ask for a formal coalition. It's what I'd do. Power without responsibility: the golden chalice. Much better than the opposite which was the reality of the coalition.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Mario149 said:
And if we don't let them in and the economy falters as a result, it'll be the demographics who voted Leave for "control" who'll be adversely affected the most and scream the loudest. The irony is strong.
We'll be throwing them in to replace the uncontrolled emigration from people who've settled & lived here for years, paid their way & now look at the parochial inward looking mindset engulfing the political debate & thinking to themselves: fk this, we're off. Of course, the sky won't fall in and it's more likely to be you lot still whining incessantly.
768 said:
After the best part of three years of you lot screaming I think if leavers want their turn when Brexit happens they should be welcome to it.
Of course, the sky won't fall in and it's more likely to be you lot still whining incessantly.
Well if debate comes across to you as irritating whining, then I'm pleased enough with that.Of course, the sky won't fall in and it's more likely to be you lot still whining incessantly.
768 said:
I remember the debate.
It finished about a year ago.
Then you don't understand debate. By your logic, the opposition should pack up & pIt finished about a year ago.
s off after every general election, after all, the debate is settled.Common theme with the Brexites, unable to brook any other view than their own, constant attempts to close down the debate. You know, considering you won (although not according to the high priest Nigel, 52 to 48 unfinished business etc etc), you lot don't half come across like losers.
anonymous said:
[redacted]
No you totally misunderstand what I meant and then went off on a tangent.Yes I know full well who the DUP are (thanks for assuming I don't)
No I don't think terrorist organisations in NI think that in any way shape or form
And I am fully aware that Manchester was remodelled
What I meant is that we live in uncertain times and the DUP should not be allowed to monopolise the governments time to the degree they seem to be doing. I fear that there will be more terrorist attacks and the governmemt will be distracted enough in having to deal with them. Such an attack could come in NI and if it does and the government is having to spend inordinate amounts of time and staff and other resources in liasing with the DUP over policy the DUP may well have to consider that there own self importance may well be a factor to consider.
Put another way the government and politicians in general are not controlling the agendas at the moment and it is important that parties think of what is in the national interest over and above their own.
Hope that makes it clear
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff