Theresa May

[andymadmak]

Eddie Strohacker said:

768 said:

I remember the debate.

It finished about a year ago.

Then you don't understand debate. By your logic, the opposition should pack up & ps off after every general election, after all, the debate is settled.


Common theme with the Brexites, unable to brook any other view than their own, constant attempts to close down the debate. You know, considering you won (although not according to the high priest Nigel, 52 to 48 unfinished business etc etc), you lot don't half come across like losers.

When one votes in a GE one does so in the full knowledge that at some point not more than 5 years in the future we will again get an opportunity to exercise our opinion at the ballot box.

Voting in the Referendum was a clear, single issue event, with all participants (with any sense) understanding that the decision was not going to be subject to revisitation any time in the foreseeable future.

Common theme with some Remainers - completely unable to accept that their view did not secure the most votes. (and as such ARE the ACTUAL LOSERS)

[B'stard Child]

Mrr T said:

p1stonhead said:

So queens speech said precisely fk all in relation to what Conservatives just voted for?

No mention of 'dementia tax', no winter fuel allowance, no school meals, no fox hunting.

Just brexit.

But no great repeal bill!

BBC News said:

Bills on the delivery of Brexit dominate the government's legislative agenda.

First up is the Repeal Bill, which as the title suggests, will repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and convert EU law into UK law.

It will give the UK Parliament (and where appropriate, the devolved legislatures) the freedom to make any future changes to its laws.

[Jockman]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Common theme with the Brexites, unable to brook any other view than their own, constant attempts to close down the debate. You know, considering you won (although not according to the high priest Nigel, 52 to 48 unfinished business etc etc), you lot don't half come across like losers.

Not your strongest post. But I think you know that.

[JagLover]

p1stonhead said:

So queens speech said precisely fk all in relation to what Conservatives just voted for?

No mention of 'dementia tax', no winter fuel allowance, no school meals, no fox hunting.

Just brexit.

Fox hunting wouldn't be in it anyway. The manifesto said the government wouldn't stand in the way of a free vote.

As for the rest I doubt anything controversial is going to get through a hung parliament. So those who voted Conservative are going to be in the same boat as those who voted Labour, Lib Dem or SNP.

Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 21st June 13:12

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

But no great repeal bill!

Those anti Brexit filters you are wearing are incredible pieces of kit.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Jockman said:

Not your strongest post. But I think you know that.

It's all good clean fun. Although for the benefit of Andy, who seems to have trouble with abstract thought, the vote may have gone leave, albeit by a whisker which to me looks like a country saying - we're not sure, but no matter, that is not the end of the debate, but the beginning. I don't see many remainers here saying the result should be overturned, but the notion that it's all done & dusted & we should just leave everything to events is just bizarre.

So, using capitals to call a correspondent an ACTUAL LOSER comes across like the village idiot village idioting.

[Jockman]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Jockman said:

Not your strongest post. But I think you know that.

It's all good clean fun. Although for the benefit of Andy, who seems to have trouble with abstract thought, the vote may have gone leave, albeit by a whisker which to me looks like a country saying - we're not sure, but no matter, that is not the end of the debate, but the beginning. I don't see many remainers here saying the result should be overturned, but the notion that it's all done & dusted & we should just leave everything to events is just bizarre.

So, using capitals to call a correspondent an ACTUAL LOSER comes across like the village idiot village idioting.

.......aaaand relax.

Lots of interesting debate to come.

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Then you don't understand debate. By your logic, the opposition should pack up & ps off after every general election, after all, the debate is settled.


Common theme with the Brexites, unable to brook any other view than their own, constant attempts to close down the debate. You know, considering you won (although not according to the high priest Nigel, 52 to 48 unfinished business etc etc), you lot don't half come across like losers.

I like the way you try and pretend the result is somehow undermined by Farage rather obviously saying he's sill campaign to leave. Desperate.

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

Mrr T said:

But no great repeal bill!

Those anti Brexit filters you are wearing are incredible pieces of kit.

Way better response than I could muster - thank you

[andymadmak]

Eddie Strohacker said:

It's all good clean fun. Although for the benefit of Andy, who seems to have trouble with abstract thought, the vote may have gone leave, albeit by a whisker which to me looks like a country saying - we're not sure, but no matter, that is not the end of the debate, but the beginning. I don't see many remainers here saying the result should be overturned, but the notion that it's all done & dusted & we should just leave everything to events is just bizarre.

So, using capitals to call a correspondent an ACTUAL LOSER comes across like the village idiot village idioting.

I think you're the one with cognitive problems. The use of caps was for emphasis as I haven't worked out how to do that on here yet
As for your assertion that the result means "we're not sure", well good luck with that! It was a vote to leave, narrow you may call it, but a 7 digit majority nevertheless. You might claim that not many Remain voters want the result to be over turned, but let's be candid, the whole "hard vs soft" Brexit meme was created by Remainers so that they could try to invent scenarios whereby they could claim we should not be leaving.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said - Hard Brexit = Brexit. Soft Brexit = not Brexit. (or words to that effect)

[Eddie Strohacker]

andymadmak said:

I think you're the one with cognitive problems. The use of caps was for emphasis as I haven't worked out how to do that on here yet
As for your assertion that the result means "we're not sure", well good luck with that! It was a vote to leave, narrow you may call it, but a 7 digit majority nevertheless. You might claim that not many Remain voters want the result to be over turned, but let's be candid, the whole "hard vs soft" Brexit meme was created by Remainers so that they could try to invent scenarios whereby they could claim we should not be leaving.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said - Hard Brexit = Brexit. Soft Brexit = not Brexit. (or words to that effect)

Oh really? I'll take any proof of that that isn't a UKIP loony press release. P.s. like the emphasis stuff?

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

I like the way you try and pretend the result is somehow undermined by Farage rather obviously saying he's sill campaign to leave. Desperate.

It'd a direct quote, sit down mate.

[JagLover]

andymadmak said:

I think you're the one with cognitive problems. The use of caps was for emphasis as I haven't worked out how to do that on here yet
As for your assertion that the result means "we're not sure", well good luck with that! It was a vote to leave, narrow you may call it, but a 7 digit majority nevertheless. You might claim that not many Remain voters want the result to be over turned, but let's be candid, the whole "hard vs soft" Brexit meme was created by Remainers so that they could try to invent scenarios whereby they could claim we should not be leaving.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said - Hard Brexit = Brexit. Soft Brexit = not Brexit. (or words to that effect)

As Order Order pointed out yesterday the definition of "hard" and "soft" brexit seems to change according to the whim or bias of the media organization as well.

"soft" brexit has been variously defined as either what the Tory party are aiming for (full access to single market) or continued membership of single market (and this definition has been more widespread since the election)

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

I like the way you try and pretend the result is somehow undermined by Farage rather obviously saying he's sill campaign to leave. Desperate.

It'd a direct quote, sit down mate.

I know, what did it really tell you thought, other than a life long anti EU campaigner was still going to campaign on ? You seem to imply the narrow result is undermined in some way because of this.

[andymadmak]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Oh really? I'll take any proof of that that isn't a UKIP loony press release. P.s. like the emphasis stuff?

I think my brain exploded. I did know how to do that. I have done it in the past.
Nurse! my meds are wearing off

[Eddie Strohacker]

JagLover said:

As Order Order pointed out yesterday the definition of "hard" and "soft" brexit seems to change according to the whim or bias of the media organization as well.

"soft" brexit has been variously defined as either what the Tory party are aiming for (full access to single market) or continued membership of single market (and this definition has been more widespread since the election)

Can you blame them for grasping when Theresa banged on about 'British Brexit', 'Red white & blue Brexit' & then calling a Brexit election in which she refused to talk about Brexit at all?

We're witnessing Schrodinger's Brexit at best I.e.

Davis: we're having parallel talks, it'll be the row of the summer.
Barnier - no you're not.
Davis - OK.

[Derek Smith]

andymadmak said:

I think you're the one with cognitive problems. The use of caps was for emphasis as I haven't worked out how to do that on here yet
As for your assertion that the result means "we're not sure", well good luck with that! It was a vote to leave, narrow you may call it, but a 7 digit majority nevertheless. You might claim that not many Remain voters want the result to be over turned, but let's be candid, the whole "hard vs soft" Brexit meme was created by Remainers so that they could try to invent scenarios whereby they could claim we should not be leaving.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said - Hard Brexit = Brexit. Soft Brexit = not Brexit. (or words to that effect)

Careful; you might come over as desperate in quoting Hartley-Brewer to support any argument. She's right wing in much of her, albeit confused and confusing, diatribes in the printed media.

There is no doubt that there are degrees of brexit. All H-B has suggested by that puerile statement is that she wants what she wants and everyone else is wrong.

I have yet to see any evidence that WTO would be good for this country in the short or medium term. I think the reason is that it doesn't exist. Even some of those pushing for their own version of brexit have suggested that it will be 'difficult' in the short term.

Johnson, one of the leaders of the brexit campaign, albeit an opportunist, used Norway and EEA in speeches leading up to the election. So H-B is pushing her own wishes and not those of the lead brexit campaigners.

[p1stonhead]

Derek Smith said:

andymadmak said:

I think you're the one with cognitive problems. The use of caps was for emphasis as I haven't worked out how to do that on here yet
As for your assertion that the result means "we're not sure", well good luck with that! It was a vote to leave, narrow you may call it, but a 7 digit majority nevertheless. You might claim that not many Remain voters want the result to be over turned, but let's be candid, the whole "hard vs soft" Brexit meme was created by Remainers so that they could try to invent scenarios whereby they could claim we should not be leaving.

As Julia Hartley Brewer said - Hard Brexit = Brexit. Soft Brexit = not Brexit. (or words to that effect)

Careful; you might come over as desperate in quoting Hartley-Brewer to support any argument. She's right wing in much of her, albeit confused and confusing, diatribes in the printed media.

There is no doubt that there are degrees of brexit. All H-B has suggested by that puerile statement is that she wants what she wants and everyone else is wrong.

I have yet to see any evidence that WTO would be good for this country in the short or medium term. I think the reason is that it doesn't exist. Even some of those pushing for their own version of brexit have suggested that it will be 'difficult' in the short term.

Johnson, one of the leaders of the brexit campaign, albeit an opportunist, used Norway and EEA in speeches leading up to the election. So H-B is pushing her own wishes and not those of the lead brexit campaigners.

Dont forget multi-millionaire (who wont be affected at all) Michael Caine would rather be a poor master than a rich servant

[Derek Smith]

p1stonhead said:

Dont forget multi-millionaire (who wont be affected at all) Michael Caine would rather be a poor master than a rich servant

I'm not sure what this has to do with hard/soft brexit.

I like aphorisms. They give all the appearance of intelligence without any of that tedious thinking.

I'm not sure why I should be affected by what actors, columnists and other sundries think about what is, probably, the most important phase of UK political, social and economic change this country has seen in decades. He's an actor. He is a great actor. He is probably my favourite British actor. But he's an actor.

He's a millionaire, which makes his comment rather dull. A thing I've noticed with many millionaires I've seen on TV or whose writings I've read is that the most important feature of their life is being a millionaire. I would assume, and probably correctly given how many 'invested' in the Liberty scheme, that their personal idea of what is good for the country is what is good for them.

[p1stonhead]

Derek Smith said:

p1stonhead said:

Dont forget multi-millionaire (who wont be affected at all) Michael Caine would rather be a poor master than a rich servant

I'm not sure what this has to do with hard/soft brexit.

I like aphorisms. They give all the appearance of intelligence without any of that tedious thinking.

I'm not sure why I should be affected by what actors, columnists and other sundries think about what is, probably, the most important phase of UK political, social and economic change this country has seen in decades. He's an actor. He is a great actor. He is probably my favourite British actor. But he's an actor.

He's a millionaire, which makes his comment rather dull. A thing I've noticed with many millionaires I've seen on TV or whose writings I've read is that the most important feature of their life is being a millionaire. I would assume, and probably correctly given how many 'invested' in the Liberty scheme, that their personal idea of what is good for the country is what is good for them.

it was just a humerous observation of someone who absolutely wont be affected by Brexit trying to say he doesnt mind if he is affected because its for the 'good of the nation'. He was a tt for saying it basically becuase it means precisely zero to someone like him.

Short / medium term difficulties which some now accept as inevitable ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/24/the... ) will absolutely affect some people who wont be able to weather the storm and im not sure how many signed up for that.

Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 21st June 14:39