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p1stonhead said:
So queens speech said precisely f
k all in relation to what Conservatives just voted for?
No mention of 'dementia tax', no winter fuel allowance, no school meals, no fox hunting.
Just brexit.
Great isn't it, they had zero option but to drop the major thrust of thier election manifesto owing to the hung Parliament situation. I feel like celebrating tonight, couldn't have wished for a Queens speech that offers everything I wish for in Politics. Well not everything but S close as it's likely to get. Why I didn't even have to vote Tory!k all in relation to what Conservatives just voted for?No mention of 'dementia tax', no winter fuel allowance, no school meals, no fox hunting.
Just brexit.
Edited by crankedup on Wednesday 21st June 15:13
I'm not sure who coined the "Maybot" but John Crace of the Guardian has been running a regular Maybot satire piece for months, quite amusing. Her highly reserved manner looked quite prime ministerial at first but she appeared consistantly uncomfortable and robotic during interviews and public appearances, which obvious isn't good for a PM as it's a major part of the job description.
I'm not a May fan and couldn't vote for her, but I'm starting to feel a small bit of sympathy for her now as all and sundry seem to be lining up to stick the blade in. I don't see her reputation recovering now, damaged goods. I can't see her being replaced though, the Conservatives will need a fallguy for when the brexit negotiations go awry.
I'm not a May fan and couldn't vote for her, but I'm starting to feel a small bit of sympathy for her now as all and sundry seem to be lining up to stick the blade in. I don't see her reputation recovering now, damaged goods. I can't see her being replaced though, the Conservatives will need a fallguy for when the brexit negotiations go awry.
p1stonhead said:
bad company said:
I just saw her referred to as the 'Maybot' by a German journalist. I can see where he's coming from, her communication skills (vital for a PM) are sadly lacking.
They are well behind. Even the Daily Mail(!) called her that last week!She's looking sinister today in the commons, head tilted forwards eyes squinting menacingly at (the larger than before) opposition ranks in front of her..
I was surprised at how composed she looked smacking down the opposition and ignoring the fact that her own party sitting around her are plotting against her downfall.
I was surprised at how composed she looked smacking down the opposition and ignoring the fact that her own party sitting around her are plotting against her downfall.
p1stonhead said:
it was just a humerous observation of someone who absolutely wont be affected by Brexit trying to say he doesnt mind if he is affected because its for the 'good of the nation'. He was a tt for saying it basically becuase it means precisely zero to someone like him.
Short / medium term difficulties which some now accept as inevitable ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/24/the... ) will absolutely affect some people who wont be able to weather the storm and im not sure how many signed up for that.
Sorry, missed the point. It's hot here and thinking takes a lot of effort. I decided against air-conditioning my office as the really hot days come one or two at a time.t for saying it basically becuase it means precisely zero to someone like him. Short / medium term difficulties which some now accept as inevitable ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/24/the... ) will absolutely affect some people who wont be able to weather the storm and im not sure how many signed up for that.
Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 21st June 14:39
Also I'm just depressed by the mess we're in. We all know the knives are out and the first move will be made when it is in the interest of the attacker and not the country.
It's almost, but not quite by a big margin, funny that before the announcement of the election I was wondering when and by whom Corbyn would be replaced. Nothing seemed to be against May as none of the pretenders would want to take over at a time that might require difficult decisions. Now Corbyn's i place at least to the next election, or so it seems, and May won't make the conferences. And all at the cost of a strong negotiating position.
ash73 said:
I thought May was excellent in the Commons today. So what if she's a bit awkward in public; look what happened when we had an ex PR man running the country. Corbyn was tenacious when everyone called for his head, I'm hoping she will take a leaf from his book.
Who else would people want to lead the party? Davies needs to stay focused on Brexit, the rest are a joke.
I agree Ash, she was assertive... calm, collected and certainly in control... she didn't bite at some of the snide remarks from the other side... great performance... Who else would people want to lead the party? Davies needs to stay focused on Brexit, the rest are a joke.
Is May's got any sense she'll hold on for six months and wait for some of the more excitable commentators to calm down. Then she could be in for the long haul.
A whole section of the commentariat are still in denial that Brexit is happening and that for the moment we're back to a two party system where the opposition is completely schizophrenic.
Some of the more manipulative remainers are desperate for any sign of weakness as their last opportunity to stop Brexit is slipping through their fingers. Unless this government completely implodes, we're leaving the EU - so all they can hope for is for the government to implode. Every comment we hear from them is dependent on that one possibility.
Similarly the Labour party know they're going to struggle to hold things together for five years, so their best opportunity is to win by the other team collapsing. Again, so much commentary is wishing for a collapse and attempting to pin the blame for something - anything - on the evil Mrs May.
Against that background, the longer she holds on, the more shrill and out of touch these people are going to appear. A boringly pragmatic Queen's Speech, and some humility about Grenfell is just the way to go. We're in the slow news part of the year, so every word is going to be picked apart by news anchors who have nothing else to say, but that will pass.
I'm not a fan of May, so it's no bad thing that her wings have been clipped a little - particularly around the more authoritarian policies - but more than anything right now I'd like to see some calm so that we can all get on with business as usual. If any superstar leaders emerge, then great, but for the moment there are a lot worse options.
A whole section of the commentariat are still in denial that Brexit is happening and that for the moment we're back to a two party system where the opposition is completely schizophrenic.
Some of the more manipulative remainers are desperate for any sign of weakness as their last opportunity to stop Brexit is slipping through their fingers. Unless this government completely implodes, we're leaving the EU - so all they can hope for is for the government to implode. Every comment we hear from them is dependent on that one possibility.
Similarly the Labour party know they're going to struggle to hold things together for five years, so their best opportunity is to win by the other team collapsing. Again, so much commentary is wishing for a collapse and attempting to pin the blame for something - anything - on the evil Mrs May.
Against that background, the longer she holds on, the more shrill and out of touch these people are going to appear. A boringly pragmatic Queen's Speech, and some humility about Grenfell is just the way to go. We're in the slow news part of the year, so every word is going to be picked apart by news anchors who have nothing else to say, but that will pass.
I'm not a fan of May, so it's no bad thing that her wings have been clipped a little - particularly around the more authoritarian policies - but more than anything right now I'd like to see some calm so that we can all get on with business as usual. If any superstar leaders emerge, then great, but for the moment there are a lot worse options.
El stovey said:
She's looking sinister today in the commons, head tilted forwards eyes squinting menacingly at (the larger than before) opposition ranks in front of her..
I was surprised at how composed she looked smacking down the opposition and ignoring the fact that her own party sitting around her are plotting against her downfall.
i think her commons performance is probably why many people initially thought she would do a half decent job of being pm. the stark contrast in ability when she is out of familiar surroundings seems to have come as a surprise to most people,me included. I was surprised at how composed she looked smacking down the opposition and ignoring the fact that her own party sitting around her are plotting against her downfall.
Jimboka said:
She's bonkers doing that job.
Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
Has someone taken your login credentials? Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
(Incidentally... Some of the issues are splitting us 52:48
) Murph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
She's bonkers doing that job.
Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
Has someone taken your login credentials? Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
(Incidentally... Some of the issues are splitting us 52:48
) 53.8% remain where I live, damn I must cure this keyboard tourette's
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 21st June 18:50
Jockman said:
///ajd said:
It happened, likely over a year ago now, it would take ages to find.
I remember it. Probably about 9 months ago. You were at your mischievous best. It didn't tell me anything new.
I've already asked some family labour voters what they thought of the proposed Land Value Tax.
Tumbleweed moment.
PS Liked the schrödingers brexit gag!
///ajd said:
Jockman said:
///ajd said:
It happened, likely over a year ago now, it would take ages to find.
I remember it. Probably about 9 months ago . You were at your mischievous best. It didn't tell me anything new.
I've already asked some family labour voters what they thought of the proposed Land Value Tax.
Tumbleweed moment.
PS Liked the schrödingers brexit gag!
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
And yet so many immigration driven brexiteers seem unaware.
I remember asking the question before the referendum "would you consider staying in the EU if we forced the EU to allow us to kick out EU nationals who were unemployed after 6 months?"
"Yes, yes, that would be good!" cried some.
When I pointed out we already could, the religion took over and "that's not good enough, you tricked me etc. etc."
...
Are you making things up again slasher?......or at the very least overegging things?..... define your "some." Hopefully you will go back and find all of these posts that support your claim but won't be holding my breath.I remember asking the question before the referendum "would you consider staying in the EU if we forced the EU to allow us to kick out EU nationals who were unemployed after 6 months?"
"Yes, yes, that would be good!" cried some.
When I pointed out we already could, the religion took over and "that's not good enough, you tricked me etc. etc."
...
Did you fall for it?
no good at at this quoting business though.
Edited by alfie2244 on Wednesday 21st June 21:48
alfie2244 said:
And I am supposed to be low IQ
no good at at this quoting business though.
ha ha!no good at at this quoting business though.
Edited by alfie2244 on Wednesday 21st June 21:48
It happened.
It was before, as I recall, but I'll always admit I could be wrong. Long time ago.
Jockman might be sure it was after, but I suspect he is not 100% sure.
Either way, the main thing is, it happened.
I'm a bit disappointed that you think this point of precision somehow validates your position. Come on Alfie, don't go Sidicks on me
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
And I am supposed to be low IQ
no good at at this quoting business though.
ha ha!no good at at this quoting business though.
Edited by alfie2244 on Wednesday 21st June 21:48
It happened.
It was before, as I recall, but I'll always admit I could be wrong. Long time ago.
Jockman might be sure it was after, but I suspect he is not 100% sure.
Either way, the main thing is, it happened.
I'm a bit disappointed that you think this point of precision somehow validates your position. Come on Alfie, don't go Sidicks on me
Jimboka said:
Murph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
She's bonkers doing that job.
Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
Has someone taken your login credentials? Every, I mean every, single issue has the country divided 50/50
She can't win.
Her fault I guess for applying,..
Every other big name knows that now, so nobody wants the job. Thats why she is being hung out to dry.
I think i'd quit, live on TV at PMQs!
(Incidentally... Some of the issues are splitting us 52:48
) 53.8% remain where I live, damn I must cure this keyboard tourette's
Edited by Jimboka on Wednesday 21st June 18:50
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