Theresa May

[B'stard Child]

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Glad it was entertainment to you, but does seem to suggest you're easily amused.

I'm, indeed, easily amused by simple creatures. Kippers and 'i'm not a kipper but I worship Farage' alike. I'm also easily amused by dimwits who blame EU for all the ills of this world and want to give more power to the same govt that actually failed to enforce available legislation.

Would the chip on your shoulder and general Farage/Ukip tourettes be because you are an immigrant to the UK ?

Chip - chip you say???

The chip is on the floor - the whole freaking tree is on JJ's shoulder

Please don't bring up the subject of immigrants in another thread - every bloody thread seems to revolve around it

[Deptford Draylons]

Mrr T said:

As you can see the PH army of anti FOML is out in full force hoping if they keep shouting loud enough everyone will believe them.

You are correct the UK can make EU immigrants leave if they have not found work within 3 months but asked why the government do not enforce the rules. The answer is simple they do not need to because the process is carried out by economics. A EU immigrant entering the UK looking for work needs some where to live, food, and the ability to get to interviews and eventually work. (I know one of the posters on here will say they are all living rough around Boston but I suspect that’s a tiny amount who may not even come from the rEU). The UK is an expensive country friends/parents may help with money, those already living here may offer a sofa for a few nights. The important thing is the EU immigrant job seeker is not entitled to any benefits. They can get job seekers after 3 months but I understand that’s now being refused because after 3 months they cannot job seek!

So the fact is most EU immigrants looking for work need to find work quickly, well within 3 months or the money runs out and they have to go home. It’s actually the capitalist way of running an immigration policy.

You are partly correct in that obviously people do come and go depending on having a job. You spoiled by using the phony term FMOL when everyone knows its really FMOP, plus the fact you gloss over what the point was on the 3 month rule being utterly unenforceable even if they wanted or needed. It was complete gibberish just put on the books to present an image of there being checks and controls. Anyone presenting it or citing it as being in anyway meaningful, I think is a fool. Eddie just took it badly.

[alfie2244]

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Glad it was entertainment to you, but does seem to suggest you're easily amused.

I'm, indeed, easily amused by simple creatures. Kippers and 'i'm not a kipper but I worship Farage' alike. I'm also easily amused by dimwits who blame EU for all the ills of this world and want to give more power to the same govt that actually failed to enforce available legislation.

Would the chip on your shoulder and general Farage/Ukip tourettes be because you are an immigrant to the UK ?

Is he? well I never.

[Mario149]

Jinx said:

Mario149 said:

Jinx said:

Mario149 said:

I think the point is no-one even bothered to try because the market sorts itself out. As I've said elsewhere, I guarantee that if we implement some sort of border controls while at the same time issuing visas for all the businesses that ask for them in order to ensure our economy functions correctly, we'll end up with as near as makes no practical difference the same levels of immigration, just with the extra cost, complexity and lag of managing the new system.

That's the false premise bit. Under the current system (non-EU) there are some pretty tight rules under the granting of work visa's (I don't think coffee maker at Costa is included). So the argument "it will all be the same anyway so let's not change anything" is based on a false premise.

See my comment above.

I did and it is still based on a false premise.

You're missing my point, it's not a false premise. If the EU visa rules become tight so that EU workers we need can't get in, then we're going to have serious problems. Ergo, unless the gov are morons and put politics ahead of the economy (which is to be fair not beyond the realms of possibility), then we're going to see similar amounts of people coming from the EU as now because they're needed. Employment in the UK has never been higher. An over supply of labour is one thing we appear not to have.

[Mario149]

Murph7355 said:

Mario149 said:

So the alternative to issuing visas we need is economic self harm. Lovely.

Economic self harm to the company owner who can no longer get away with paying rock bottom due to an oversupply of resources maybe.

What over supply of resources? We've got the highest employment rate ever last time I checked. If we had 20% unemployment and Radek was coming over here working for £2/hr, the argument might hold water.

[Eddie Strohacker]

HarryW said:

Can we assume you haven't checked the unemployment rate for 42 years then..

Can I be so bold to further assume you are ideas driven and not reality driven.

In context, you appear to be splitting hairs. You have to go back to 1972 ish for it to be lower, so Mario's point is reasonable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

[HarryW]

Eddie Strohacker said:

HarryW said:

Can we assume you haven't checked the unemployment rate for 42 years then..

Can I be so bold to further assume you are ideas driven and not reality driven.

In context, you appear to be splitting hairs. You have to go back to 1972 ish for it to be lower, so Mario's point is reasonable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

My bad.... I misread and then misspoke! My response, I read unemployment not employment..... Soz to the op.....

[jjlynn27]

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Glad it was entertainment to you, but does seem to suggest you're easily amused.

I'm, indeed, easily amused by simple creatures. Kippers and 'i'm not a kipper but I worship Farage' alike. I'm also easily amused by dimwits who blame EU for all the ills of this world and want to give more power to the same govt that actually failed to enforce available legislation.

Would the chip on your shoulder and general Farage/Ukip tourettes be because you are an immigrant to the UK ?

I understand, based on your posts, that you need to read things few times before they register. Farage and especially the faithful, like yourself, provide cheap entertainment. I'm not sure that I can make this any simpler.

[mx-6]

I guess I'm in danger of being on topic here, but I thought this was interesting. A new YouGov poll is now saying that Corbyn is now seen as "the voters choice for best prime minister".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corb...

Seems like we've almost come full circle now, May has squandered much good will and political capital. I can't really believe how quicker things have turned around, we have to seriously contemplate the fact that Corbyn could well be a future PM of this country. It's up to May to respond now, if Corbyn can come back from the brink then I guess there's no reason why she can't either. It all hangs on brexit and whether she can be seen to make a success of it or not.

As a remainer/brexit skeptic I think the outlook for short/medium term is negative and the benefits of brexit, which I am sure there will be some, will come in the longer term and hence will be too late for May's political career, but let's see....

[Deptford Draylons]

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Glad it was entertainment to you, but does seem to suggest you're easily amused.

I'm, indeed, easily amused by simple creatures. Kippers and 'i'm not a kipper but I worship Farage' alike. I'm also easily amused by dimwits who blame EU for all the ills of this world and want to give more power to the same govt that actually failed to enforce available legislation.

Would the chip on your shoulder and general Farage/Ukip tourettes be because you are an immigrant to the UK ?

I understand, based on your posts, that you need to read things few times before they register. Farage and especially the faithful, like yourself, provide cheap entertainment. I'm not sure that I can make this any simpler.

You lacked the intelligence to even take issue with the point I made about the month rule being utterly pointless. Rather than debate or or offer any counter point ,you did you normal thing that blights PH and every contribution to every thread you are on ,of just having a hissy fit and indulging in your almost therapy need to say 'Farage' in every post. Had you read anything I've said about Ukip and not being a voter, you'd probably conclude I'm not a fan, but then you don't really care about honesty, the Ukipper cry from you is just used to taint anyone's view you disagree with, but unable/unwilling to articulate why.

You sound obsessed by anything immigration and EU related and seem to irrationally react to it. I was wondering if that simply comes from you being an immigrant. You didn't answer.

[Derek Smith]

mx-6 said:

I guess I'm in danger of being on topic here, but I thought this was interesting. A new YouGov poll is now saying that Corbyn is now seen as "the voters choice for best prime minister".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corb...

Seems like we've almost come full circle now, May has squandered much good will and political capital. I can't really believe how quicker things have turned around, we have to seriously contemplate the fact that Corbyn could well be a future PM of this country. It's up to May to respond now, if Corbyn can come back from the brink then I guess there's no reason why she can't either. It all hangs on brexit and whether she can be seen to make a success of it or not.

As a remainer/brexit skeptic I think the outlook for short/medium term is negative and the benefits of brexit, which I am sure there will be some, will come in the longer term and hence will be too late for May's political career, but let's see....

The result might have something to do with the general consensus, although not necessarily true of course, that she will not be in charge at the conference. She's seen as a caretaker. The real question is the popularity of the person who replaces her.

She's under attack from the right wing media and will probably incur the wrath of Monaco. No one is taking her side so her image suffers. Corbyn, despite losing the election, exudes confidence and this translates to the screen as well.

I doubt his lead will remain once May's replacement takes over.

[mx-6]

Derek Smith said:

The result might have something to do with the general consensus, although not necessarily true of course, that she will not be in charge at the conference. She's seen as a caretaker. The real question is the popularity of the person who replaces her.

She's under attack from the right wing media and will probably incur the wrath of Monaco. No one is taking her side so her image suffers. Corbyn, despite losing the election, exudes confidence and this translates to the screen as well.

I doubt his lead will remain once May's replacement takes over.

After the GE debacle I thought she would have to step down but I'm becoming increasing doubtful she will now. If there is a change of leader I don't see that happening until after brexit has gone through at least, until that happens I see it being a bit too much of a poisoned chalice. Whoever is waiting in the wings to take over will have to raise their profile and up their game in the meantime as I'm not sure there are any stand-out contenders.

As for Corbyn, he's mobilised the left and the youth vote but there with be a limit to how popular he can ever really become. I could see a Labour led coalition being a possibility though.

[jjlynn27]

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

jjlynn27 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Glad it was entertainment to you, but does seem to suggest you're easily amused.

I'm, indeed, easily amused by simple creatures. Kippers and 'i'm not a kipper but I worship Farage' alike. I'm also easily amused by dimwits who blame EU for all the ills of this world and want to give more power to the same govt that actually failed to enforce available legislation.

Would the chip on your shoulder and general Farage/Ukip tourettes be because you are an immigrant to the UK ?

I understand, based on your posts, that you need to read things few times before they register. Farage and especially the faithful, like yourself, provide cheap entertainment. I'm not sure that I can make this any simpler.

You lacked the intelligence to even take issue with the point I made about the month rule being utterly pointless. Rather than debate or or offer any counter point ,you did you normal thing that blights PH and every contribution to every thread you are on ,of just having a hissy fit and indulging in your almost therapy need to say 'Farage' in every post. Had you read anything I've said about Ukip and not being a voter, you'd probably conclude I'm not a fan, but then you don't really care about honesty, the Ukipper cry from you is just used to taint anyone's view you disagree with, but unable/unwilling to articulate why.

You sound obsessed by anything immigration and EU related and seem to irrationally react to it. I was wondering if that simply comes from you being an immigrant. You didn't answer.

Sometimes, repeating few times doesn't seem to be enough, so you take your time.
Once again, Farage and disciples are cheap entertainment, hence my wish for him, and in turn kippers, to return. I have more respect for openly kipper kippers than for 'I'm not a kipper but' lightweights.
As far as FMOL, it was explained to you countless of times, why economy by itself, is a pretty good regulator of people from EU staying here. As a holder of a British passport, my interest in immigration is exclusively from an economic standpoint. I want goods produces and services provided at the best, most competitive prices.
You, on the other hand, keep ranting how 'everyone' knows what's enforceable and what's not. The official data on immigration shows that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever. Discussing subtleties of Art45 of TFEU, with someone like you, wouldn't be productive or entertaining.

Some people look at ons data and form their opinion. Some read express and breitbart headlines.

[BlackLabel]

Osborne lobs another grenade at the PM.


http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-...

[jjlynn27]

BlackLabel said:

Osborne lobs another grenade at the PM.


http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-...

I get this feeling that he's quite enjoying himself.

[JagLover]

BlackLabel said:

Osborne lobs another grenade at the PM.


http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-...

Except the issue isn't even over allowing EU citizens to stay as I understand it, but two issues.

One the right to stay for new migrants who had not yet arrived.

In rights for EU migrants being greater than others granted leave to remain, or indeed for UK citizens, in terms of family reunification VISAs.

No one was ever seriously suggesting that existing EU residents would be sent home. It is the details that matter, though not to our increasingly hysterical media.

[Zod]

ash73 said:

BlackLabel said:

Osborne lobs another grenade at the PM.


http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-...

Another knob of the day award.

It's a little odd to call a woman a knob, but I agree with the sentiment.

[mx-6]

Nice to see Osborne sticking it to the man, as it were, I generally agree with the gist there.

[confused_buyer]

Derek Smith said:

I doubt his lead will remain once May's replacement takes over.

I have a feeling Corbyn will end up having enough rope to hang himself.

Let's face it, a half decent Labour leader could probably have won against May and a half decent Tory one could have hammered Corbyn.

We have two very average candidates for the job of PM up against one another in a sort of bizarre who can be least rubbish competition.

[deadslow]

confused_buyer said:

Let's face it, a half decent Labour leader could probably have won against May and a half decent Tory one could have hammered Corbyn.

We have two very average candidates for the job of PM up against one another in a sort of bizarre who can be least rubbish competition.

May is a proven disaster. Election called because she was massively in front and ought to have gained a landslide. She gave it all away through poor performance and bizarre policies.