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greygoose said:
Tuna said:
A couple of points. Corbyn has shown either terrible judgement or malicious intent in the past with his association with terrorist organisations. He has been a consistently poor performer in Prime Minister's Questions. His introduction of 'garden tax' was a painful land grab (literally) in the Labour Manifesto, and the repeat of it ("repossess the rich people's homes!") has been shocking.
Yet all of this has been given remarkably little attention by the media.
Really? The media have been on Corbyn's case since he was elected leader, it perhaps shows the declining influence of the press that despite the coverage of him he obtained so many votes.Yet all of this has been given remarkably little attention by the media.
He surprised everyone and I can only see his appeal increasing, why? Because he looks more in touch with the people, and no matter what label you throw at him (terrorist sympathiser, Trotskyist, Marxist, tree-hugging Snowflake etc...) it won't stick, and the die-hard Tory supporters can only sit and watch the Conservative party implode (I prefer the term Casino Party) and Labour gaining the upper hand.
Will Corbyn stick to his Manifesto pledge? Time will tell, but sure as hell , he'll do better than the current clown in charge or her predecessor CMD.
The Casino Party is heading for a downfall, and the many gambles it took did not pay off.
The media have a new contender, the internet. Social media is the new platform for fighting elections and it should not be under-estimated. Ignore the youth at your peril.
anonymous said:
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The problem was that she was 'found out'. The statistics, most hilariously the ones which proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there were more police on the street after the cuts than before, were not challenged, certainly not in the media. Historically it has been the left that have attacked the press, both physically and in the media, so The Guardian could not bring itself to really have a go at her, and the right has generally been the parties of law and order. But Cameron's attack on the police, devolved to May, left the right wing press in a difficult situation. They could not support the police against the party of choice. That meant that the police had no support.
The service kept money that it, by way of various forces, knew belonged to retiring officers. When they were confronted by the truth it ignored it, forcing the police and fire service to go to the courts to get their ex-members' money. The government were a bit miffed that the federation had sufficient money to do so, had it been the FB alone they'd have been unable to get their money back. Still, after a few short years, 8 or so, the money was returned to its rightful owners, less the interest that it would have earned if it had been in a building society.
A scandal that no paper ran with.
That, ad a police officer who was lied about having the temerity to sue an MoP meant that the federation had to be neutered, even more. Yet no one ran with that story.
The FB are heroes now of course, but why weren't they when the government refused to give them the money that they knew was rightfully theirs.
Rovinghawk said:
I worked long & hard plus made sacrifices to acquire my wealth. I don't want it 'redistributed' to those who didn't work as hard & make the sacrifices I did.
How much of it through unearned property capital gains? If little then fair enough, if a lot then you can't say it was all hard work.Edited by hyphen on Saturday 24th June 10:51
Rovinghawk said:
anonymous said:
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I worked long & hard plus made sacrifices to acquire my wealth. I don't want it 'redistributed' to those who didn't work as hard & make the sacrifices I did.It worked in Venezuela, so it will work for us here......
vonuber said:
I'm still amused how people can, with a straight face, say Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser when May is jumping into bed with the DUP - the political arm of terrorism- to shore up her government, thus putting the whole good Friday agreement at risk.
How does that change Corbyn's actions?He chooses his friends, TM has Hobson's choice.
hyphen said:
Rovinghawk said:
I worked long & hard plus made sacrifices to acquire my wealth. I don't want it 'redistributed' to those who didn't work as hard & make the sacrifices I did.
How much of it through unearned property capital gains? If little then fair enough, if a lot then you can't say it was all hard work.Edited by hyphen on Saturday 24th June 10:51
Anybody who bought property in the past twenty years (the many...) has been affected, but why're they going to be potentially penalised for something they never had any influence over?
98elise said:
vonuber said:
I'm still amused how people can, with a straight face, say Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser when May is jumping into bed with the DUP - the political arm of terrorism- to shore up her government, thus putting the whole good Friday agreement at risk.
How does that change Corbyn's actions?He chooses his friends, TM has Hobson's choice.
98elise said:
How does that change Corbyn's actions?
He chooses his friends, TM has Hobson's choice.
It doesn't.He chooses his friends, TM has Hobson's choice.
I don't like that side of Corbyn one eyeota, it raises a lot of questions and concerns but so too does being dependent on the DUP from what I've read of them.
Saying it's Hobson's choice doesn't make it any less grubby.
vonuber said:
I'm still amused how people can, with a straight face, say Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser when May is jumping into bed with the DUP - the political arm of terrorism- to shore up her government, thus putting the whole good Friday agreement at risk.
I think your knowledge of the DUP is somewhat out of date!
sidicks said:
vonuber said:
I'm still amused how people can, with a straight face, say Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser when May is jumping into bed with the DUP - the political arm of terrorism- to shore up her government, thus putting the whole good Friday agreement at risk.
I think your knowledge of the DUP is somewhat out of date!I how ever think they are two sides of the same violent nasty terrorist scum coin
given that though our various politicians had and still have to talk to both sides even if that is distasteful
The Corbyn Miracle. The myths abound and multiply about his sincerity, his grasp of the popular mood, his appeal to 'ordinary people'. All of it complete rubbish, put about not by his 'ordinary' supporters but those behind him who actively seek to destabilise to bring about their stupid student grade socialism and who are ignorant of his well-documented past. The failure of the conservatives to maintain their overall majority, let alone increase it, was entirely due to the large increase in the young vote. No bad thing in itself, a widening democracy, but typically student activist led and largely immature minds. A contributing factor was of course the complacency of many conservative voters who thought they had no need to vote. Let's not run away with the Messiah fantasy, these anomalies of a bright new dawn fizzle out as you grow older. That's 'grow older and wiser'.
Thorodin said:
The Corbyn Miracle. The myths abound and multiply about his sincerity, his grasp of the popular mood, his appeal to 'ordinary people'. All of it complete rubbish, put about not by his 'ordinary' supporters but those behind him who actively seek to destabilise to bring about their stupid student grade socialism and who are ignorant of his well-documented past. The failure of the conservatives to maintain their overall majority, let alone increase it, was entirely due to the large increase in the young vote. No bad thing in itself, a widening democracy, but typically student activist led and largely immature minds. A contributing factor was of course the complacency of many conservative voters who thought they had no need to vote. Let's not run away with the Messiah fantasy, these anomalies of a bright new dawn fizzle out as you grow older. That's 'grow older and wiser'.
yes nothing to do with may being totally inept.ash73 said:
May should get an analyst to cost the Corbyn manifesto and publish the results, by my reckoning clearing student debt would cost the same as the entire Apollo space programme in today's money.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/show-me-money-costing-party-policies-advance-election makes the point that other countries manage to independently cost election promises. Perhaps it's something which should happen here?hyphen said:
How much of it through unearned property capital gains? If little then fair enough, if a lot then you can't say it was all hard work.
A lot of the property gains were based on massive refurb, ie time & money went into the properties, so I'll call it earned property capital gains.The rest of it was long hours in the day job.
I don't go out to earn money just so what's left after taxes can be 'redistributed'.
vonuber said:
I'm still amused how people can, with a straight face, say Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser when May is jumping into bed with the DUP - the political arm of terrorism- to shore up her government, thus putting the whole good Friday agreement at risk.
Is that the same DUP that Corbyn tried to jump into bed with in the past?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff