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jjlynn27 said:
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There is no equal sign between two arrangements which sidick finally managed to get. This is why;
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They are two different political constructs but the exact same action you're referring to as "bribery" in one goes on in both. Christ, it even goes on in governments that have a majority.There is no equal sign between two arrangements which sidick finally managed to get. This is why;
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You are only inclined to use the term "bribery" in this instance as it (you think, along with others. e.g. Corbyn) undermines the current government. And in doing so you hope that the Brexit approach/decision can be changed. If that's what floats your boat, fine. But it doesn't change the fact that the DUP arrangement is no more (or less) "bribery" than the political shenanigans that have gone on since politics was invented.
(btw, I'm not a supporter of the DUP deal, though nor am I vehemently against it either. May was stupid to call the election. And the DUP arrangement was unnecessary IMO (they would never have voted against the Tories on the items that matter - including Brexit - anyway). But it is what it is. Politics).
jjlynn27 said:
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The only surprise is, for me, that more people didn't jump to agree with sidicks. Not that that would made it less entertaining.
Most people are probably just bored stiff that the pair of you (and now me The only surprise is, for me, that more people didn't jump to agree with sidicks. Not that that would made it less entertaining.
) have managed to drag out an argument on whether the DUP deal is "bribery" for a dozen pages!Murph7355 said:
Most people are probably just bored stiff that the pair of you (and now me ) have managed to drag out an argument on whether the DUP deal is "bribery" for a dozen pages!
This.) have managed to drag out an argument on whether the DUP deal is "bribery" for a dozen pages!Please make it stop.
The two main protagonists are never going to agree. It goes round and round in circles. It is also utterly irrelevant as pork-barrel politics is as old as the hills.
AstonZagato said:
This.
Please make it stop.
The two main protagonists are never going to agree. It goes round and round in circles. It is also utterly irrelevant as pork-barrel politics is as old as the hills.
To be fair AZ, if that were done across the board in NP&E there would only be 8 threads and each would struggle to pass 2 pages Please make it stop.
The two main protagonists are never going to agree. It goes round and round in circles. It is also utterly irrelevant as pork-barrel politics is as old as the hills.
I'm regarding it as training for when my 2 and 5 year old boys get to, say, 4 and 7. Observing this will help me strategise with them.
sidicks said:
Posts at midnight and then again at 5am.
Not sure why you are getting so upset/wound up about this. I asked you to show me the figure that LD asked for in return for votes. You failed to do so, instead linking BBC article talking about compromise. I can't make this any simpler.
As for coalition; I gave you a dictionary definition which you are now trying to qualify. IMO, both are coalitions, one being more formal than the other.
Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
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There is no equal sign between two arrangements which sidick finally managed to get. This is why;
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They are two different political constructs but the exact same action you're referring to as "bribery" in one goes on in both. Christ, it even goes on in governments that have a majority.There is no equal sign between two arrangements which sidick finally managed to get. This is why;
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You are only inclined to use the term "bribery" in this instance as it (you think, along with others. e.g. Corbyn) undermines the current government. And in doing so you hope that the Brexit approach/decision can be changed. If that's what floats your boat, fine.
Murph7355 said:
Most people are probably just bored stiff that the pair of you (and now me ) have managed to drag out an argument on whether the DUP deal is "bribery" for a dozen pages!
There are no obligations to read any thread or part of the forum. PH is an enjoyable past-time, nothing more / less. ) have managed to drag out an argument on whether the DUP deal is "bribery" for a dozen pages!Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
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You have no idea what I think, or what I hope for...
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So you actually want to leave the EU? You don't wish the referendum had never happened? You don't wish Remain had won. And if there was even a small chance of the decision being reversed you wouldn't take it?You have no idea what I think, or what I hope for...
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Your new, totally unrelated questions are mostly meaningless, thus proving my point. In order;
- UK is leaving EU. Depending on consequences I'll chose if I'll leave EU or UK.
- I don't wish for things from the past to be different, it's waste of time. They are what they are.
- As above.
- There is no chance of decision being reversed as too many people have staked too much on the outcome. So the same as above.
jjlynn27 said:
Not sure why you are getting so upset/wound up about this.
I asked you to show me the figure that LD asked for in return for votes. You failed to do so, instead linking BBC article talking about compromise. I can't make this any simpler.
It's amazing how no-one has committed before about how the Lib Dems gave up their votes and got nothing in return.I asked you to show me the figure that LD asked for in return for votes. You failed to do so, instead linking BBC article talking about compromise. I can't make this any simpler.
I've had enough, if you want to think such ridiculous thoughts, then you carry on.
jjlynn27 said:
As for coalition; I gave you a dictionary definition which you are now trying to qualify. IMO, both are coalitions, one being more formal than the other.
Already explained, both are coalitions by the dictionary definition. The discussion was about whether a formal government coalition is different than a confidence and supply deal. It is. Anyone suggesting otherwise is wrong.crankedup said:
We badly need some stability and strength from our Government, TM has told us so. Last thing we need is a change of PM, I can't believe that some Tory backbenchers are plotting already.
I actually quite like May. I'd rather have her in charge than any of the other conservative potential candidates except perhaps Ruth Davidson but she's not really in the running. She's taken over at a terrible time. She's having to sort out a Brexit, that she didn't want whilst her own Party are plotting her downfall in the background. I agreed with many of her policies in the election but a negative campaign focusing on austerity and stability wasn't enough to convince enough people to support her and increase her share of the vote as was planned.
Given more support and no brexit, I think she could have some new ideas to running the country but yet again arguing over Europe and backstabbing are damaging the conservatives and their effectiveness.
Question - does anyone believe that May can recover from her current position? Is it likely? Or is she done?
It seems to me that she has gone through an awful time, exhibited some bad judgement, and chosen to be influenced by the wrong people, but nothing has happened that is terminal to her career. If she can get on with the job and do it really well over the next few years, she could get a majority at the next GE. The last GE result was bad compared to expectations, but they did OK considering there was basically no manifesto. And despite all the gossip, there is IMHO no other Tory MP that could clearly do better than her, whether in execution or in public appeal.
Interested to know what others think.
It seems to me that she has gone through an awful time, exhibited some bad judgement, and chosen to be influenced by the wrong people, but nothing has happened that is terminal to her career. If she can get on with the job and do it really well over the next few years, she could get a majority at the next GE. The last GE result was bad compared to expectations, but they did OK considering there was basically no manifesto. And despite all the gossip, there is IMHO no other Tory MP that could clearly do better than her, whether in execution or in public appeal.
Interested to know what others think.
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