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crankedup said:
Tuna - do you still own the classic Lotus Excel SE ? I would really like to know the ins and outs about the car, always promised myself one and feel the time is now. Perhaps you may think about opening a thread on the Yesterday’s Hero’s forum which would be great.
Sorry to interrupt the latest bilge.
Hey, no problem... I'll try to put together some words.Sorry to interrupt the latest bilge.
Sadly I don't still have it. It was eaten by rats. Really. That was an interesting insurance claim. It was a real pleasure to own though.
Crankedup:
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It's staggering that some people don't understand this but as that is the case I think we can clearly see the issue. I've no idea who Thorodin is or their background, but will assume he/she is intelligent and over the age of 12 and yet they believe a doctor's appointment has no cost. I'd have to assume this applied to any service where an invoice is not produced...
Happy to tell you what I am, if not whom. I come from a traditional working class family that comprised a mother and two sisters who all worked and dedicated themselves to 'our' NHS. Two sisters even decided to forego their annual leave when their patients on the ward (children) were expected not to survive the time they would be away.
My own experience is perhaps more appropriate. My local hospital together with my allocated GP saved my life twice by their prompt and most excellent actions.
The reactionary automatic cries of ‘Heresy!’ when any criticism of anything to do with the NHS funding is mentioned only serves to limit proper debate on relevant matters. It also misdirects justified arguments about tiers of management and procurement and treatments being a major cause for concern with employees scared to object in the face of vested interests. The awful events in Gosport, revealed today, although not related to this debate on here, indicate the state of things that need addressing long before a missed appointment.
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It's staggering that some people don't understand this but as that is the case I think we can clearly see the issue. I've no idea who Thorodin is or their background, but will assume he/she is intelligent and over the age of 12 and yet they believe a doctor's appointment has no cost. I'd have to assume this applied to any service where an invoice is not produced...
Happy to tell you what I am, if not whom. I come from a traditional working class family that comprised a mother and two sisters who all worked and dedicated themselves to 'our' NHS. Two sisters even decided to forego their annual leave when their patients on the ward (children) were expected not to survive the time they would be away.
My own experience is perhaps more appropriate. My local hospital together with my allocated GP saved my life twice by their prompt and most excellent actions.
The reactionary automatic cries of ‘Heresy!’ when any criticism of anything to do with the NHS funding is mentioned only serves to limit proper debate on relevant matters. It also misdirects justified arguments about tiers of management and procurement and treatments being a major cause for concern with employees scared to object in the face of vested interests. The awful events in Gosport, revealed today, although not related to this debate on here, indicate the state of things that need addressing long before a missed appointment.
Tuna said:
But you seem to find it hard to get your head around the idea that reading a report written in the US about a healthcare system that you don't appear to have any personal experience of does not make you an expert on the matter. The fact that you appear blissfully unaware of the background of that report only reinforces the idea that you're either trolling or ignorant.
or both?Vanden Saab said:
98elise said:
Agreed....its as simple as that. Missed appointments cost money.
If there were no missed appointments you would just be waiting longer to see a doctor. The very idea that doctors are sitting twiddling their thumbs during the 10 minutes appointment time is just ludicrous. When was the last time anyone got to see their GP less than 10min late...
Mrr T said:
No expertise in the subject but I always assumed the 10 minute appointment time was set to take account of no shows. I suspect most appointments take longer than 10 minutes. So the no shows just allow them to catch up. If there were no, no shows, they might make the appointments 15 minutes which might mean there is less waiting but no more appointments.
In my surgery they will keep calling the no-show for several minutes (via the "next patient" LCD display). After 3 attempts the doctor will come out to reception to ask where the person is, then speak to the receptionist to find out whether the patient is a no-show or is just in the toilet/popped out for a smoke. They will finally give up and ask the reception for the next person who is called for once the no-show has been updated on the system.A no show probably takes 5-7 minutes to "process", so that is wasted time. It gets worse when they waltz in nearly 10 minutes late, say they told the receptionist they had to pop out to have a fag (for their nerves, of course) and demand their appointment.
So, in my admittedly circumstantial experience, a no-show adds to the delay rather than eases it. The only thing I've seen add to delays in seeing a GP are the walk-in emergencies.
And when I say "doctor" above, I really mean "nurse practitioner". It's a 3 week wait to see a doctor so I've no idea what one looks like at my surgery!
wiggy001 said:
Mrr T said:
No expertise in the subject but I always assumed the 10 minute appointment time was set to take account of no shows. I suspect most appointments take longer than 10 minutes. So the no shows just allow them to catch up. If there were no, no shows, they might make the appointments 15 minutes which might mean there is less waiting but no more appointments.
In my surgery they will keep calling the no-show for several minutes (via the "next patient" LCD display). After 3 attempts the doctor will come out to reception to ask where the person is, then speak to the receptionist to find out whether the patient is a no-show or is just in the toilet/popped out for a smoke. They will finally give up and ask the reception for the next person who is called for once the no-show has been updated on the system.A no show probably takes 5-7 minutes to "process", so that is wasted time. It gets worse when they waltz in nearly 10 minutes late, say they told the receptionist they had to pop out to have a fag (for their nerves, of course) and demand their appointment.
So, in my admittedly circumstantial experience, a no-show adds to the delay rather than eases it. The only thing I've seen add to delays in seeing a GP are the walk-in emergencies.
And when I say "doctor" above, I really mean "nurse practitioner". It's a 3 week wait to see a doctor so I've no idea what one looks like at my surgery!
alfie2244 said:
Tuna said:
But you seem to find it hard to get your head around the idea that reading a report written in the US about a healthcare system that you don't appear to have any personal experience of does not make you an expert on the matter. The fact that you appear blissfully unaware of the background of that report only reinforces the idea that you're either trolling or ignorant.
or both?
Tuna said:
alfie2244 said:
Tuna said:
But you seem to find it hard to get your head around the idea that reading a report written in the US about a healthcare system that you don't appear to have any personal experience of does not make you an expert on the matter. The fact that you appear blissfully unaware of the background of that report only reinforces the idea that you're either trolling or ignorant.
or both?
Thorodin said:
Crankedup:
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It's staggering that some people don't understand this but as that is the case I think we can clearly see the issue. I've no idea who Thorodin is or their background, but will assume he/she is intelligent and over the age of 12 and yet they believe a doctor's appointment has no cost. I'd have to assume this applied to any service where an invoice is not produced...
Happy to tell you what I am, if not whom. I come from a traditional working class family that comprised a mother and two sisters who all worked and dedicated themselves to 'our' NHS. Two sisters even decided to forego their annual leave when their patients on the ward (children) were expected not to survive the time they would be away.
My own experience is perhaps more appropriate. My local hospital together with my allocated GP saved my life twice by their prompt and most excellent actions.
The reactionary automatic cries of ‘Heresy!’ when any criticism of anything to do with the NHS funding is mentioned only serves to limit proper debate on relevant matters. It also misdirects justified arguments about tiers of management and procurement and treatments being a major cause for concern with employees scared to object in the face of vested interests. The awful events in Gosport, revealed today, although not related to this debate on here, indicate the state of things that need addressing long before a missed appointment.
Thanks for interesting comments that hopefully forward this debate. Not truely sure why the post was addressed to me though tbh. Quote:
It's staggering that some people don't understand this but as that is the case I think we can clearly see the issue. I've no idea who Thorodin is or their background, but will assume he/she is intelligent and over the age of 12 and yet they believe a doctor's appointment has no cost. I'd have to assume this applied to any service where an invoice is not produced...
Happy to tell you what I am, if not whom. I come from a traditional working class family that comprised a mother and two sisters who all worked and dedicated themselves to 'our' NHS. Two sisters even decided to forego their annual leave when their patients on the ward (children) were expected not to survive the time they would be away.
My own experience is perhaps more appropriate. My local hospital together with my allocated GP saved my life twice by their prompt and most excellent actions.
The reactionary automatic cries of ‘Heresy!’ when any criticism of anything to do with the NHS funding is mentioned only serves to limit proper debate on relevant matters. It also misdirects justified arguments about tiers of management and procurement and treatments being a major cause for concern with employees scared to object in the face of vested interests. The awful events in Gosport, revealed today, although not related to this debate on here, indicate the state of things that need addressing long before a missed appointment.
I have stated that we/ I already pay for FPD NHS services and do not personally support additional charging for GP appointments, wether returned upon attendance of appointment or otherwise. all this would create is even more paperwork for administrators. My comments were in response to suggestions that this deposit style appointment may be helpful, it wouldn’t help at all, imo.
Breadvan72 said:
The quality of Theresa May:
Australian cricketers are suspected of tampering with the cricket ball - Theresa May speaks out to condemn them.
The President of the United States detains children in cages - Theresa May says nothing.
Theresa May.
She needs to keep him sweet so that we get a magical trade deal. 0% tariff on unicorns.Australian cricketers are suspected of tampering with the cricket ball - Theresa May speaks out to condemn them.
The President of the United States detains children in cages - Theresa May says nothing.
Theresa May.
The Surveyor said:
Does he, he personally keeps children in cages, oh that's awful. Do you have a link?
It would appear you need educating about the basics of the powers of the US President before starting in on details.For starters - the US President doesn't personally enact every policy he creates. There are government agencies and staff that do the actual work.
HTH.
The Surveyor said:
Breadvan72 said:
......
The President of the United States detains children in cages .......
Does he, he personally keeps children in cages, oh that's awful. Do you have a link?The President of the United States detains children in cages .......
Meanwhile, while you make glib comments on a car forum, children are in cages in the United States. But you don't care. Feel free not to.
Breadvan72 said:
The Surveyor said:
Breadvan72 said:
......
The President of the United States detains children in cages .......
Does he, he personally keeps children in cages, oh that's awful. Do you have a link?The President of the United States detains children in cages .......
Meanwhile, while you make glib comments on a car forum, children are in cages in the United States. But you don't care. Feel free not to.
Chris, respectfully, you appear to be believing Trump's lies.
I assume you would consider Time Magazine a reputable journalistic source? If so, please read:
http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-d...
I assume you would consider Time Magazine a reputable journalistic source? If so, please read:
http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-d...
If Obama had put children in cages, I would comdemn him roundly, but Trump is lying. Trump always lies. Falling for Trump lies, Orban lies, Le Pen lies, Farage lies, BoJo lies, Rees-Mogg lies, May lies, Corbyn lies - these are choices. Many here are happy with those choices (Corbyn only excepted - he tells the wrong sort of lies for the people here).
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