Theresa May

[Gargamel]

Gloria Slap said:

No sneering.

You highlight the issue well, a lack of education can breed fear, which is all too often the obvious issue with racism and bigotry.

You agree - as an educated poster - it’s an irrational fear, I assume?

Ha, it’s a complex question for sure.

Go to any coffee shop, chances are the server has not been born in the UK. Do the natives even want that job?

Sadly even the perception of ‘coming over here taking our jobs’ seems to have won the argument. The problem in my view is it is a one way argument.

Unskilled UK workers have no need or desire to migrate to Europe, so don’t value freedom of movement and see it only as a threat. Had EU economies been more closely aligned in terms of wages, relative wealth and relative employment rates, freedom of movement would be less of an issue.

I wish politicians and commentators had done a better job of convincing for FOM, but the perceived need to talk down to the stupid people who barely understand the correct use of grammar, tends to build resistance in the populous.

Edited by Gargamel on Thursday 21st June 22:30

[Smiler.]

First there was Breadvan in Blowhard.

Then came Blowhard II, Blowharder.

Now we have Blowhard with a Vengeance.

Cracking entertainment Gromit.

Please don't stop.

[B'stard Child]

powerstroke said:

At the moment we seem to be having a battle between people who think they know best for everyone else and everyone else !!

Been like that for nearly 3 years, here, in the media, on social media and in fact bloody everywhere you look



















fkers still lost and are still losing

So I'm OK with it all

[Gargamel]

For clarity... sneering elitist left.

Ref Emily Thornberry.

[Davos123]

Gloria Slap said:

Observation.

The uneducated don’t tend to be able to appreciate the benefits of freedom of movement.

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

[Gloria Slap]

Gargamel said:

Gloria Slap said:

No sneering.

You highlight the issue well, a lack of education can breed fear, which is all too often the obvious issue with racism and bigotry.

You agree - as an educated poster - it’s an irrational fear, I assume?

Ha, it’s a complex question for sure.

Go to any coffee shop, chances are the server has not been born in the UK. Do the natives even want that job?

Sadly even the perception of ‘coming over here taking our jobs’ seems to have one the argument. The problem in my view is it is a one way argument.

Unskilled UK workers have no need or desire to migrate to Europe, so don’t value freedom of movement and see it only as a threat. Had EU economies been more closely aligned in terms of wages, relative wealth and relative employment rates, freedom of movement would be less of an issue.

I wish politicians and commentators had done a better job of convincing for FOM, but the perceived need to talk down to the stupid people who barely understand the correct use of grammar, tends to build resistance in the populous.

So you agree its an irrational fear then?

Farage & mail & co shoulder much of the responsibility for this.

[Gloria Slap]

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

[crankedup]

Once again the issue of refugees fleeing into Europe is heading the news topics. Several years since refugee boats took to water and yet the EU have still been unable to find solutions to this ‘problem’, as seen by Italy and Germany in particular. Greece is full. When the EU is put to its first test it ends in failure. Nothing to do with FOM.

[Davos123]

Gargamel said:

Unskilled UK workers have no need or desire to migrate to Europe, so don’t value freedom of movement and see it only as a threat.

Edited by Gargamel on Thursday 21st June 22:30

I think language probably plays a massive role in this, too. Most EU countries will teach English at school, making the UK a more viable option for people in the EU than vice-versa. Doesn't matter if factory workers in Latvia earn more than in the UK if you don't speak the lingo.

[Davos123]

Gloria Slap said:

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

Well I didn't say that at all, but your inability to empathise with their situation is the problem here. You don't have to agree with their conclusion but an inability to recognise their situation and implement positive policies to address them is what's led to this problem in the first place.

[loafer123]

Gloria Slap said:

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

You might want to read his post again, as that was not what he said.

[B'stard Child]

Davos123 said:

Gloria Slap said:

Observation.

The uneducated don’t tend to be able to appreciate the benefits of freedom of movement.

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

Slasher/slapper has frequently pointed out his views on brexit are because of his empathy with the poorest who will be affected most - in fact after the big red bus and other stuff it's his main fall back position........ I'm sure there was something else other than those two - buggered if I can remember what it was......







It'll come to me I'm sure - I keep thinking it's similar to headlights - tip of my tongue but I can't think of the word

[Gargamel]

Gloria Slap said:

So you agree its an irrational fear then?

Farage & mail & co shoulder much of the responsibility for this.

I don’t know if it is irrational or not, the data tells us the net migration INTO the UK is high. More come here than leave from here.

So the data would suggest it isn’t irrational, it is factual. However as I pointed out, if people in the UK would rather take benefits than work unskilled long hours roles, then it isn’t really preventing the UK population working.

In my opinion there is just a big confirmation bias in seeing foriegn workers in service roles.

Demonising the out group is a speciality of politicians, however BV and others are demonising the uneducated here, and making fools of themselves with elitist and snobbish views. How is that different with what Farage did with Eastern Europeans ?

Both are wrong and should be condemned.

[Gloria Slap]

crankedup said:

Once again the issue of refugees fleeing into Europe is heading the news topics. Several years since refugee boats took to water and yet the EU have still been unable to find solutions to this ‘problem’, as seen by Italy and Germany in particular. Greece is full. When the EU is put to its first test it ends in failure. Nothing to do with FOM.

It is correct that EU FOM is nothing to do with the problems of fleeing refugees - a genuine problem that being in or out of the EU won’t change.

Only a bigoted racist would create a massive “breaking point” poster to suggest otherwise!

[B'stard Child]

Gloria Slap said:

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

xenons that's what I was thinking - Bingo

xenophobia "Fear of Headlights"

[Gloria Slap]

Davos123 said:

Gloria Slap said:

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

Well I didn't say that at all, but your inability to empathise with their situation is the problem here. You don't have to agree with their conclusion but an inability to recognise their situation and implement positive policies to address them is what's led to this problem in the first place.

So just what was your point?

The discussion was about FOM being a good thing, and then you moaned about the plight of poor people.

Yes, just what is your point? Spit it out why don’t you!

[Gloria Slap]

Gargamel said:

I don’t know if it is irrational or not, the data tells us the net migration INTO the UK is high. More come here than leave from here.

So the data would suggest it isn’t irrational, it is factual. However as I pointed out, if people in the UK would rather take benefits than work unskilled long hours roles, then it isn’t really preventing the UK population working.

In my opinion there is just a big confirmation bias in seeing foriegn workers in service roles.

Demonising the out group is a speciality of politicians, however BV and others are demonising the uneducated here, and making fools of themselves with elitist and snobbish views. How is that different with what Farage did with Eastern Europeans ?

Both are wrong and should be condemned.

So because “more come here than leave here” the fear is rational? Why, what is there to be afraid of if that happens?

[Tuna]

Gloria Slap said:

Davos123 said:

• they don't tend to benefit from freedom of movement.

Maybe the educated tend not to appreciate the problems faced by the less well-off.

The problems of the less well off are due to foreigners are they?

Keep em coming!

For someone so concerned with the intelligence of others, you really struggle with comprehension sometimes.

[alfie2244]

Gloria Slap said:

So because “more come here than leave here” the fear is rational? Why, what is there to be afraid of if that happens?

Started your weekend PH posting fest early this week Glo?

[Gloria Slap]

Tuna said:

For someone so concerned with the intelligence of others, you really struggle with comprehension sometimes.

Do explain how the problems of the less well off are due to FOM, if you believe that to be the case.