Discussion
Jonesy23 said:
slow_poke said:
So, have a referendum in NI - ask them if they'd like to stay in the CU. If they say yes, that'll allow May to soften her position. If they say no, the EU know they've got to soften theirs. Do the English & Welsh really care anyway? What'd the Scots make of it?
Because that won't split on sectarian lines as a proxy for reunification?Which ultimately is what a lot of the stuff coming from Ireland (and parroted through the EU) is actually coming from.
Obv, the hardcore DUPpers will vote one way, and they may carry along former Remainers to protect the Union (UK not EU Union). Or they ma ybe isolated and the majority in NI will opt for remaining in the CU (hey, another Union!).
Either way, it gives both sides in the Brexit talks the opportunity to move their red line without losing (much) face.
slow_poke said:
It mightn't. The Brexit Referendum managed to get both communities to agree on something, and that's pretty rare for that place.
Obv, the hardcore DUPpers will vote one way, and they may carry along former Remainers to protect the Union (UK not EU Union). Or they ma ybe isolated and the majority in NI will opt for remaining in the CU (hey, another Union!).
Either way, it gives both sides in the Brexit talks the opportunity to move their red line without losing (much) face.
It could also provide a massive opportunity for the NI.Obv, the hardcore DUPpers will vote one way, and they may carry along former Remainers to protect the Union (UK not EU Union). Or they ma ybe isolated and the majority in NI will opt for remaining in the CU (hey, another Union!).
Either way, it gives both sides in the Brexit talks the opportunity to move their red line without losing (much) face.
They could become the "go to" place for businesses wanting to set up an EU branch rather than Dublin, Frankfurt etc.
It won't happen but I think it's a missed opportunity.
slow_poke said:
Hey. Let's have another referendum. Bear with me here before anyone gets triggered...
This deadlock over NI/RoI border needs to be sorted out one way or another so everyone can move on with the important thing of actually getting on with Brexit and trade relationships etc etc. But, both side have somehow managed to paint themselves into a corner.
No British PM will countenance leaving NI in the CU because that'll mean splitting the UK (plus, those pesky but necessary DUP).
The EU has pushed too hard for NI to be left in the CU.
Some way has to be found that'll give each side a graceful face saver and allow compromise.
So, have a referendum in NI - ask them if they'd like to stay in the CU. If they say yes, that'll allow May to soften her position. If they say no, the EU know they've got to soften theirs. Do the English & Welsh really care anyway? What'd the Scots make of it?
Scotland and London might ask for the same referendum This deadlock over NI/RoI border needs to be sorted out one way or another so everyone can move on with the important thing of actually getting on with Brexit and trade relationships etc etc. But, both side have somehow managed to paint themselves into a corner.
No British PM will countenance leaving NI in the CU because that'll mean splitting the UK (plus, those pesky but necessary DUP).
The EU has pushed too hard for NI to be left in the CU.
Some way has to be found that'll give each side a graceful face saver and allow compromise.
So, have a referendum in NI - ask them if they'd like to stay in the CU. If they say yes, that'll allow May to soften her position. If they say no, the EU know they've got to soften theirs. Do the English & Welsh really care anyway? What'd the Scots make of it?
wisbech said:
slow_poke said:
Hey. Let's have another referendum. Bear with me here before anyone gets triggered...
This deadlock over NI/RoI border needs to be sorted out one way or another so everyone can move on with the important thing of actually getting on with Brexit and trade relationships etc etc. But, both side have somehow managed to paint themselves into a corner.
No British PM will countenance leaving NI in the CU because that'll mean splitting the UK (plus, those pesky but necessary DUP).
The EU has pushed too hard for NI to be left in the CU.
Some way has to be found that'll give each side a graceful face saver and allow compromise.
So, have a referendum in NI - ask them if they'd like to stay in the CU. If they say yes, that'll allow May to soften her position. If they say no, the EU know they've got to soften theirs. Do the English & Welsh really care anyway? What'd the Scots make of it?
Scotland and London might ask for the same referendum This deadlock over NI/RoI border needs to be sorted out one way or another so everyone can move on with the important thing of actually getting on with Brexit and trade relationships etc etc. But, both side have somehow managed to paint themselves into a corner.
No British PM will countenance leaving NI in the CU because that'll mean splitting the UK (plus, those pesky but necessary DUP).
The EU has pushed too hard for NI to be left in the CU.
Some way has to be found that'll give each side a graceful face saver and allow compromise.
So, have a referendum in NI - ask them if they'd like to stay in the CU. If they say yes, that'll allow May to soften her position. If they say no, the EU know they've got to soften theirs. Do the English & Welsh really care anyway? What'd the Scots make of it?
It doesnt work like that. You cant split everything into little pieces
slow_poke said:
It mightn't. The Brexit Referendum managed to get both communities to agree on something, and that's pretty rare for that place.
Did it?people talk as though NI voted overwhelmingly for Remain, it didn't. It was a larger gap than the UK overall, but there were still very large numbers of leave voters in northern ireland. The split was also very much along sectarian lines, with the regions away from the border voting to leave.
Hey, I never claimed it was an ideal solution - but it is a solution to break the impasse. They don't have to vote for remaining in the CU - a vote the other way tells the EUrocrats to wind their necks in and respect May's position that the UK won't be divided, and they'd better have another think about this backstop.
Johnson puts forward canada style plan which up to 40 MPs may support
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
saaby93 said:
Johnson puts forward canada style plan which up to 40 MPs may support
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
Jimboka said:
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.
You are not allowed to speak out against the Government when you are sitting in it. Hence he had to resign before Jimboka said:
saaby93 said:
Johnson puts forward canada style plan which up to 40 MPs may support
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
Mrr T said:
Jimboka said:
saaby93 said:
Johnson puts forward canada style plan which up to 40 MPs may support
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214
Grieve says 40 MPs would vote against a Canada style plan
Chequers mate? or stale Mate
Jimboka said:
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.
I recall when people would opine on BJ being some uber-clever type, the bumbling, buffoonish, blond gorilla being an act of sorts.I think his actions around the leadership election and since has exposed that myth. He either is clueless or has no balls and is simply a sagging scrotum flaying flaccidly about. Of course if this turns out to be a Moriarty elaborate masterplan where he zooms in last minute to be leader and save the day as he manages brexit, well, that'd certainly be worthy of respect.
Halb said:
Jimboka said:
It’s a shame Boris didn’t come up with these fantastic ideas during the 2+ years he was in Government . He was a waste of space. No balls & no answers. Now he’s a nobody whingeing from the sidelines.
I recall when people would opine on BJ being some uber-clever type, the bumbling, buffoonish, blond gorilla being an act of sorts.I think his actions around the leadership election and since has exposed that myth. He either is clueless or has no balls and is simply a sagging scrotum flaying flaccidly about. Of course if this turns out to be a Moriarty elaborate masterplan where he zooms in last minute to be leader and save the day as he manages brexit, well, that'd certainly be worthy of respect.
Boris on Turkey and EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4
jjlynn27 said:
Boris is not dumb. But the opinion of the people who actually know him is that he always does what he thinks, at the time, is good for Boris. Everything else is a distant second. If he thinks that a bit of controversy is going to get his mug in the papers, he'll do it.
Boris on Turkey and EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4
I wouldn't think he's dumb, he's just not the great mind that some might have supposed him to be a few years back. A rank opportunist I can well belive.Boris on Turkey and EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4
jjlynn27 said:
Boris is not dumb. But the opinion of the people who actually know him is that he always does what he thinks, at the time, is good for Boris. Everything else is a distant second. If he thinks that a bit of controversy is going to get his mug in the papers, he'll do it.
Boris on Turkey and EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4
Made in 2005 before Turkey went batsBoris on Turkey and EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4
t crazy and put Erdogan in charge with his rollback of decades of progress made.Turkey is sadly moving away from the vision of ataturk, back to a dictatorship.
Johnson knows a great deal about Turkey, his great grandfather was a minister in the ottoman government, he was also a prominent journalist, he was murdered during the revolution that created modern Turkey.
Boris uses flowery, and sometimes classicist elitist, language to put down his perceived opponents. A product of his expensive and rarefied education, he is acutely conscious of his contemporaries’ superior achievements and relies on their patronage for his prominence. He is a bluffer and mistakenly equates cunning with intelligence. He means well but is essentially an inveterate plotter, basically what used to be called a cad.
Thorodin said:
Boris uses flowery, and sometimes classicist elitist, language to put down his perceived opponents. A product of his expensive and rarefied education, he is acutely conscious of his contemporaries’ superior achievements and relies on their patronage for his prominence. He is a bluffer and mistakenly equates cunning with intelligence. He means well but is essentially an inveterate plotter, basically what used to be called a cad.
Don't do ttter but I hear Alastair Campbell has just ttted to Boris Johnson "Now fk off under a bus with a great big fat lie on it charlatan.” 
alfie2244 said:
Don't do ttter but I hear Alastair Campbell has just ttted to Boris Johnson "Now fk off under a bus with a great big fat lie on it charlatan.”
The comment on the side of the bus was I thought a suggestion and not a promise. Also as Brexit has yet to happen the NHS could still get the sum mentioned. Not sure how any of that constitutes a lie but it is Campbell and he wouldn’t know the meaning of truth if it hit him in the face tter but I hear Alastair Campbell has just ttted to Boris Johnson "Now fk off under a bus with a great big fat lie on it charlatan.” Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff