Theresa May

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don4l

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10,058 posts

177 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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ATG said:
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president.
You need to read the OP.

UK civil servants have a lot less power than they had a couple of months ago.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,408 posts

151 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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AmitG said:
So far I am pretty happy with her.

On grammar and faith schools - personally I'm fine with it. I reckon there is a high level of support for grammar schools in the country, even amongst Labour voters.
There's also plenty of opposition to them, even amoungst Tory voters.

turbobloke

104,025 posts

261 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
AmitG said:
So far I am pretty happy with her.

On grammar and faith schools - personally I'm fine with it. I reckon there is a high level of support for grammar schools in the country, even amongst Labour voters.
There's also plenty of opposition to them, even amoungst Tory voters.
On the one opportunity to-date that the 'little people' of all political flavours were given to get rid of a grammar (Ripon) the vote was lost by 2:1 as grammars are indeed very popular with parents. This is a vote winner for May, apart from the likes of Corbyn who aren't Conservative voters anyway(!) Plenty of Labour families will want this change.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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ATG said:
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president. Do we complain that they're not directly elected? No. We don't even directly elect our own bloody PM. UK population is about 65,000,000. How many people voted for May at the last election? About 35,000, and they didn't even know they were voting for a PM.
Perhaps you should lobby government for a Presidential type electoral system then if you feel so disabused regarding the way the country comes to have its PM.

lotusmad2001

103 posts

172 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Seems OK to me, didn't get the Cameron hate though however so maybe I'm not one to Judge?

Faith schools though really? Was kind of hoping we would lead the world in filtering out religion at least with our own people (not saying we should be forcing it out of people with a religion as that is just as bad), the Americans are still 50 years behind us in that regard which baffles me. To me religion should not be in a school whereby children are soaking up what is at the end of the day a load of coblers

TwigtheWonderkid

43,408 posts

151 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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turbobloke said:
grammars are indeed very popular with parents.
Up until their kids don't get in. They soon change their tune then.

ClaphamGT3

11,307 posts

244 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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don4l said:
ATG said:
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president.
You need to read the OP.

UK civil servants have a lot less power than they had a couple of months ago.

turbobloke

104,025 posts

261 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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ATG said:
turbobloke said:
ATG said:
Troubleatmill said:
I would much rather it was her than the 5 non elected EU presidents

We can at least vote her out of power.
This kind of comparisson is daft. It's like comparing a row boat to an aircraft carrier. The UK PM has power, EU presidents have virtually none. It's also not even a choice between one or the other.
It's an excellent comparison - we can indeed vote as a national electorate to boot TM out, we cannot do the same for unelected (by us, directly) eurocrats.

Thank goodness we're on the way out!

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council...
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president.
Of course, even though it was some of the choicest BBC propaganda pre-vote; did you miss parts did you miss?

How do these civil servants get the power to overturn EU regulations, the regulations that emerge from the EU's agenda being driven forward by the President as a key part of their role?

They don't, of course. Our MPs can't do it either.

Thank goodness we're getting out.

loafer123

15,452 posts

216 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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ATG said:
turbobloke said:
ATG said:
Troubleatmill said:
I would much rather it was her than the 5 non elected EU presidents

We can at least vote her out of power.
This kind of comparisson is daft. It's like comparing a row boat to an aircraft carrier. The UK PM has power, EU presidents have virtually none. It's also not even a choice between one or the other.
It's an excellent comparison - we can indeed vote as a national electorate to boot TM out, we cannot do the same for unelected (by us, directly) eurocrats.

Thank goodness we're on the way out!

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council...
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president. Do we complain that they're not directly elected? No. We don't even directly elect our own bloody PM. UK population is about 65,000,000. How many people voted for May at the last election? About 35,000, and they didn't even know they were voting for a PM.
Civil servants implement the wishes of the elected officials of a sovereign state. The EU president on the other hand...

deadslow

8,009 posts

224 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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turbobloke said:
Plenty of Labour families will want this change.
not to mention their delight at Hammond's new Borrow Massively /Spend policy. wink

Derek Smith

45,728 posts

249 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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nikaiyo2 said:
Derek Smith said:
Stuff
Stuff with no relevance to the original post.

Derek Smith

45,728 posts

249 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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jsf said:
Derek Smith said:
Yet my force.
Former Force, you retired in 2005.
What a bizarre thing to post. I live in the area covered by the force I used to work in. My force.

I was also an officer in the City of London police force. I don't live there. Not my force.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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lotusmad2001 said:
Faith schools though really? Was kind of hoping we would lead the world in filtering out religion at least with our own people
I'm interested to know where you think this has worked well previously? I'm inclined to think that when religious influence is weakened the state will have to step in to fill the void. Not sure this is preferable.

turbobloke

104,025 posts

261 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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deadslow said:
turbobloke said:
Plenty of Labour families will want this change.
not to mention their delight at Hammond's new Borrow Massively /Spend policy. wink
Not aiming for a surplus in 2020 is hardly massive borrowing, and the actual borrowing is supposedly to invest in infrastructure and growth rather than attempted vote-buying and inflating big government as per Blair and Brown's failure years.

Hammond said:
There is a distinction in my mind between investing in the things that will make Britain’s economy more efficient in the future, make transport systems work better, communications systems work better and simply spending more on our day to day process of government.

We need to keep the lid on day-to-day spending, we need to make government more streamlined - but I do think there is a case that we should look at very carefully for targeted high value investment in our economic infrastructure.
Due partly to remainer sulky sentiment after the vote, he's got a different context to work within compared to George.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Derek Smith said:
jsf said:
Derek Smith said:
Yet my force.
Former Force, you retired in 2005.
What a bizarre thing to post. I live in the area covered by the force I used to work in. My force.

I was also an officer in the City of London police force. I don't live there. Not my force.
If you didn't write in the manner you do, maybe people wouldn't be confused with the fact you are not a serving police officer Derek, as they often are.

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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deadslow said:
turbobloke said:
Plenty of Labour families will want this change.
not to mention their delight at Hammond's new Borrow Massively /Spend policy. wink
just reaping the rewards of Osbourne's austerity project laugh

Mrr T

12,256 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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loafer123 said:
Civil servants implement the wishes of the elected officials of a sovereign state. The EU president on the other hand...
You obviously never watched Yes Minister/Prime Minister.

lotusmad2001

103 posts

172 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Esseesse said:
I'm interested to know where you think this has worked well previously? I'm inclined to think that when religious influence is weakened the state will have to step in to fill the void. Not sure this is preferable.
got to happen at some point though right? Maybe something else will come along like scientology laugh

don4l

Original Poster:

10,058 posts

177 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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ClaphamGT3 said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Did you actually read your own link? Senior UK civil servants wield far more power than an EU president.
You need to read the OP.

UK civil servants have a lot less power than they had a couple of months ago.
The Telegraph ran a story yesterday saying that Sir Jeremy Heywood has had his wings severely clipped.

If the story is true, then she won't be putting with any "Yes Minister" type of nonsense.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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lotusmad2001 said:
Esseesse said:
I'm interested to know where you think this has worked well previously? I'm inclined to think that when religious influence is weakened the state will have to step in to fill the void. Not sure this is preferable.
got to happen at some point though right? Maybe something else will come along like scientology laugh
I think historically, adherence to religion is quite cyclical. It'll make a come back.
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