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gothatway said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Apparently May has been looking into yachting...
...perhaps she will call her yacht....
....Black Cloud...
Nope, don't get that - unless it's some convoluted reference to her predecessor's Morning Cloud ... Mourning Cloud ... Black Cloud ?...perhaps she will call her yacht....
....Black Cloud...
The reference to mc? Well Heath started it all!
captain_cynic said:
Trying to bully people who disagree with you (rather poorly I might add) really demonstrates that leavers are that daft.
There is no good Brexit, never was and never will be. The leave vote was mainly protests against the London centric govt (that's why a lot of votes came from up North). Most of us are patiently waiting for the train wreck that is Brexit to come to its natural conclusion of a complete failure that needs to be abandoned.
BTW, I honestly couldn't care what you're happy to accept, the thing about reality is that it also doesn't care what you're willing to accept and the reality is Brexit could never have been anything other than a failure.
Brexit could turn out very well for many people, especially long term for those on the lower end of the UKs wage ladder, the fact those in industries where they may be affected negatively can't understand this, just sums up what a selfish world we live in. There is no good Brexit, never was and never will be. The leave vote was mainly protests against the London centric govt (that's why a lot of votes came from up North). Most of us are patiently waiting for the train wreck that is Brexit to come to its natural conclusion of a complete failure that needs to be abandoned.
BTW, I honestly couldn't care what you're happy to accept, the thing about reality is that it also doesn't care what you're willing to accept and the reality is Brexit could never have been anything other than a failure.
Of course it was a vote against a London centric government, if you live in Lincolnshire or Norfolk and your life is based there and being effected by what is happening with wage suppression to your family, you couldn't give two f
ks if the banks have warned their profits might drop 20%, or if the service industries might lose out on contracts moving forward. Not saying they shouldn't, but just like you think and judge from your angle they do the same, and to belittle someone for that is pretty sad. Tell me your thoughts on the economic climate of the EU?
Tell me how net contributors can keep borrowing to pay into it even though they are already in a debt trap?
Tell me what your plan would be to get round the issue of Target2 imbalances without seeing the EU collapse?
I see you bang on and on about how Brexit needs to be stopped, well fair enough, let's for arguments sake say we all agree to stop it if you can explain how we get out of this spiralling debt that the project is causing?
The EU is at breaking point financially, it is already insolvent.
It is currently like someone who is earning £3k a month with £1000 of outgoings but £1900 worth of credit card payments. They have £100 a month left.
However, this month they have no choice but to get a new car to get them to work, they buy used, only £3000 but have to borrow to do it, £120 a month because their credit is poor.
Oooops!
Don't worry the ECB will buy that debt off you, spread it over 30 years instead of 25 years, that will reduce it from £2020 a month to £1750 a month.
Whoha, let's go out and celebrate, life is good again........for another 6 months.
Mortgage rate is up .25%, another £100 a month. Bugger.
One of the 0% deals has finished (Target2) so another £300 a month. f
k!! Ask the ECB if they can extend.
Sure, however, your credit rating has slipped.
We will lend you the money to get you out of a pickle, now back to £1800 a month, but spread over 40 years.
Woaha! Life feels good again.....for another 6 months.
The fact is, in reality no bank would have kept lending. The ECB keeps doing so to prop up the charade that is the EU, if they were honest they would say "This is not working, 25 of the 28 countries are either insolvent or don't have enough to contribute."
If the countries were companies within a group you wouldn't keep 24/25 that are hemorrhaging money going by bleeding the 3 or 4 dry of the money they make, you would get rid of them. So why are we doing it with countries?
I truly believe that the EU are waiting to for the UK to leave, and then they will slowly stop printing money, lending more to countries who already can't pay it back and start to call in Target2 payments owed, and when it all starts to fall apart blame Brexit.
But let me hear what you would do to get us out of this muddle?
There won't be a good answer to that. Because there simply isn't a good answer to find. It's an unsolvable mess.
The raving EU fans are driving by the rear view mirror. It hasn't collapsed, ergo, it won't collapse.
But you don't need to read much about EU finances to see just how fked it is. Brexit might be a factor in the end game, but it's falling apart anyway.
Brexit might bring that forward. If you're a teenager in Greece or Spain or Italy, that might turn out to be a good thing. If you're 40 and work for the EU in Brussels, it certainly isn't.
The raving EU fans are driving by the rear view mirror. It hasn't collapsed, ergo, it won't collapse.
But you don't need to read much about EU finances to see just how f
ked it is. Brexit might be a factor in the end game, but it's falling apart anyway. Brexit might bring that forward. If you're a teenager in Greece or Spain or Italy, that might turn out to be a good thing. If you're 40 and work for the EU in Brussels, it certainly isn't.
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
This NPE part of the forum is a very interesting place. Along with the watch forum, it provides quite an insight into a sub group of mostly British males in 2018.
MC Bodge said:
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
This NPE part of the forum is a very interesting place. Along with the watch forum, it provides quite an insight into a sub group of mostly British males in 2018.
Don't be embarrassed to say you don't know. I don't know either. Nor did the Remain campaign, and they're dead, dead clever.
SpeckledJim said:
MC Bodge said:
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
This NPE part of the forum is a very interesting place. Along with the watch forum, it provides quite an insight into a sub group of mostly British males in 2018.
Come on, you're better than that.
You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
SpeckledJim said:
Come on, you're better than that.
You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
Because the nebulous "problems" you speak of are not as big as you imagine them to be and are being dealt with (just not in the way you'd like).You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
The long term economic situation does not look good for the UK after Brexit. Neither does the short term.
captain_cynic said:
Because the nebulous "problems" you speak of are not as big as you imagine them to be and are being dealt with (just not in the way you'd like).
How do you know, do you work for the EU?Or is that what it purports in the Metro?
Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 17th October 13:22
MC Bodge said:
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
I can give a man a fish and he'll want it every day
I can teach a man to fish and then he can look after himself
Now the EU's aims are the later but their process drives the former
Oh and a lot of very s
tty stty people ride the gravy train for as long as they possibly can skimming nicely off the top and providing gold plate pensions and benefits for themselves which will add to the cost of the project for years to come - a few are getting quite drunk on it (sorry sciatica - easy mistake to make) MC Bodge said:
This NPE part of the forum is a very interesting place. Along with the watch forum, it provides quite an insight into a sub group of mostly British males in 2018.
I've found it's given me a very interesting insight into those that still believe that remaining in the EU was the best option despite the decision taken in 2016Having changed tack from you are all f
king racist to just some of you are they'll dress it up in all manner of reasons to excuse those that voted leaveYou were lied to - of course remain lied "a little" but what could they do when faced with that f
king red bus - it's not your fault you are a bit simple compared to us well educated city typesThe economic predictions of doom - of course they were correct we just haven't actually left yet - you must have been a bit thick not to understand that
I could go on but it's all been done before and it's actually a bit boring - I had 273 reasons to leave and 11 to remain - the reasons were weighted and I was on balance 55 % leave 45% remain
None of my 273 reasons to leave make me a backwards looking gammon faced xenophibic who is a closet racist and a bit of a bigot on the side (although the Eurovision one might be considered a bit iffy)
None of my 11 reasons to remain make me a flag waving EU loving nutjob although the one acknowledging that the status quo of remain carried serious weight until you countered it with the EU hadn't remained the same in 40 years - it was pressing on with the direction it always had in mind.
B'stard Child said:
I've found it's given me a very interesting insight into those that still believe that remaining in the EU was the best option despite the decision taken in 2016
Having changed tack from you are all fking racist to just some of you are they'll dress it up in all manner of reasons to excuse those that voted leave
You were lied to - of course remain lied "a little" but what could they do when faced with that fking red bus - it's not your fault you are a bit simple compared to us well educated city types
The economic predictions of doom - of course they were correct we just haven't actually left yet - you must have been a bit thick not to understand that
I could go on but it's all been done before and it's actually a bit boring - I had 273 reasons to leave and 11 to remain - the reasons were weighted and I was on balance 55 % leave 45% remain
None of my 273 reasons to leave make me a backwards looking gammon faced xenophibic who is a closet racist and a bit of a bigot on the side racist (although the Eurovision one might be considered a bit iffy)
None of my 11 reasons to remain make me a flag waving EU loving nutjob although the one acknowledging that the status quo of remain carried serious weight until you countered it with the EU hadn't remained the same in 40 years - it was pressing on with the direction it always had in mind.
Having changed tack from you are all f
king racist to just some of you are they'll dress it up in all manner of reasons to excuse those that voted leaveYou were lied to - of course remain lied "a little" but what could they do when faced with that f
king red bus - it's not your fault you are a bit simple compared to us well educated city typesThe economic predictions of doom - of course they were correct we just haven't actually left yet - you must have been a bit thick not to understand that
I could go on but it's all been done before and it's actually a bit boring - I had 273 reasons to leave and 11 to remain - the reasons were weighted and I was on balance 55 % leave 45% remain
None of my 273 reasons to leave make me a backwards looking gammon faced xenophibic who is a closet racist and a bit of a bigot on the side racist (although the Eurovision one might be considered a bit iffy)
None of my 11 reasons to remain make me a flag waving EU loving nutjob although the one acknowledging that the status quo of remain carried serious weight until you countered it with the EU hadn't remained the same in 40 years - it was pressing on with the direction it always had in mind.
captain_cynic said:
Because the nebulous "problems" you speak of are not as big as you imagine them to be and are being dealt with (just not in the way you'd like).
The long term economic situation does not look good for the UK after Brexit. Neither does the short term.
Funny, you could say the same about your opinion of the UK/Brexit The long term economic situation does not look good for the UK after Brexit. Neither does the short term.
Define "not good"
captain_cynic said:
SpeckledJim said:
Come on, you're better than that.
You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
Because the nebulous "problems" you speak of are not as big as you imagine them to be and are being dealt with (just not in the way you'd like).You're in the same boat as us then, because we don't know how they're going to do it, either.
I voted leave mainly on long-term economic grounds. If Remain had been able to persuade me that the problems I read about are not as big as they seem to be, then I'd have voted remain. They didn't even try. 'Don't talk about it' is actually the policy.
The long term economic situation does not look good for the UK after Brexit. Neither does the short term.
How? What's the plan? Please hit me with some links about how Brussels is going to enable Italy to unwind their losing position without defaulting on their terrifying debts?
How is Brussels going to handle it when the German public finds out its wealth isn't in the bank, its in gigantic IOUs that aren't going to be paid?
What was different about the last 3 Euro crises that means the next Euro crisis isn't just around the corner, and isn't just ahead of the one after that?
What has changed for the better in the state of affairs that caused the previous crises? Is quantitive easing actually good news? If so, why do we only do it when the s
t hits the fan? Give us some hope - show us the change (planned or happening) that's actually going to help.
MC Bodge said:
B'stard Child said:
I've found it's given me a very interesting insight into those that still believe that remaining in the EU was the best option despite the decision taken in 2016
Having changed tack from you are all fking racist to just some of you are they'll dress it up in all manner of reasons to excuse those that voted leave
You were lied to - of course remain lied "a little" but what could they do when faced with that fking red bus - it's not your fault you are a bit simple compared to us well educated city types
The economic predictions of doom - of course they were correct we just haven't actually left yet - you must have been a bit thick not to understand that
I could go on but it's all been done before and it's actually a bit boring - I had 273 reasons to leave and 11 to remain - the reasons were weighted and I was on balance 55 % leave 45% remain
None of my 273 reasons to leave make me a backwards looking gammon faced xenophibic who is a closet racist and a bit of a bigot on the side racist (although the Eurovision one might be considered a bit iffy)
None of my 11 reasons to remain make me a flag waving EU loving nutjob although the one acknowledging that the status quo of remain carried serious weight until you countered it with the EU hadn't remained the same in 40 years - it was pressing on with the direction it always had in mind.
Having changed tack from you are all f
king racist to just some of you are they'll dress it up in all manner of reasons to excuse those that voted leaveYou were lied to - of course remain lied "a little" but what could they do when faced with that f
king red bus - it's not your fault you are a bit simple compared to us well educated city typesThe economic predictions of doom - of course they were correct we just haven't actually left yet - you must have been a bit thick not to understand that
I could go on but it's all been done before and it's actually a bit boring - I had 273 reasons to leave and 11 to remain - the reasons were weighted and I was on balance 55 % leave 45% remain
None of my 273 reasons to leave make me a backwards looking gammon faced xenophibic who is a closet racist and a bit of a bigot on the side racist (although the Eurovision one might be considered a bit iffy)
None of my 11 reasons to remain make me a flag waving EU loving nutjob although the one acknowledging that the status quo of remain carried serious weight until you countered it with the EU hadn't remained the same in 40 years - it was pressing on with the direction it always had in mind.
Still riding that
With all the others
Anyway back to
MC Bodge said:
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
gothatway said:
MC Bodge said:
gothatway said:
gizlaroc said:
Lots of stuff
^^^^^What he said, and that's exactly why many people voted to get out - "leave the sinking ship" and all that. Only to get labelled as racists or little Englanders.
MC Bodge said:
"A straightforward Brexit".
How dare they? UK are determined to do something daft and unnecessary and the Irish Republic is trying to make the best of it! How very dare they?!!!
For the sake of accuracy, the phrase "A minority of people think that" should be inserted before UK. How dare they? UK are determined to do something daft and unnecessary and the Irish Republic is trying to make the best of it! How very dare they?!!!
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