Theresa May

[powerstroke]

gizlaroc said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

I think something people tend to forget when talking about the Irish Border is the fact that most people really couldn't care less about it.

I know that is not meant to be said, but I have yet to speak to anyone that has that issue anywhere but the bottom of their list of concerns, with the exception of those over there.

Yes and the only people who would really have a problem if there was a manned hard border is the ROI !!
we don't need to transit the south to get our goods to market I suggest we say ok to the EU on keeping the north in the customs
union and charge every Irish lorry £1 per KM to use our roads ,

[p1stonhead]

powerstroke said:

gizlaroc said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

I think something people tend to forget when talking about the Irish Border is the fact that most people really couldn't care less about it.

I know that is not meant to be said, but I have yet to speak to anyone that has that issue anywhere but the bottom of their list of concerns, with the exception of those over there.

Yes and the only people who would really have a problem if there was a manned hard border is the ROI !!
we don't need to transit the south to get our goods to market I suggest we say ok to the EU on keeping the north in the customs
union and charge every Irish lorry £1 per KM to use our roads ,

Genius plan

Cant believe it hasnt been solved in 2 years considering ideas like this.

[JagLover]

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

Reflecting on that and for example the need to continue trading efficiently etc. I'm not sure 'out now' is possible?

Leaving is not conditional upon obtaining agreement with the EU, or on the Irish border.

An agreement with the EU is desirable but not essential.

[Cobnapint]

powerstroke said:

Tyre Smoke said:

When I voted out, I voted for a hard Brexit. I expected nothing else. If we could have struck a deal in the 24 months since the vote, for things like intelligence sharing, etc then clearly that was common sense and logical. Foreign nationals that are already here have leave to remain and the rest of it we decide as we go along.

I had no illusions about loads of money for the NHS, I wanted control of our borders and the right to self determination.

This 100%
sadly politicians on both sides along with unalected civil servants have ridden roughshod over democracy and common sense
we should have had business people directly involved right from the start, 2 years of pissing about now they want longer
for what ?? so they can water it down and do some grubby deal that will fk up the UK !! more uncertainty for business
and a firewall for the EU so they can keep the jackboot on the other 27 a bit longer .....

Yep.

The EU us fine as a trading block - but it's been turned into a political one and that's a step too far. Junker, Tusk and all the others are as much to blame for the impasse as May.

[BigMon]

What an utter disaster this whole thing has been and continues to be. Ah well, it's only all our future prosperity at stake.

Have to admit, if I had the option to leave the UK I would be seriously considering it.

[kayc]

BigMon said:

What an utter disaster this whole thing has been and continues to be. Ah well, it's only all our future prosperity at stake.

Have to admit, if I had the option to leave the UK I would be seriously considering it.

Im sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

[HoHoHo]

JagLover said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

Reflecting on that and for example the need to continue trading efficiently etc. I'm not sure 'out now' is possible?

Leaving is not conditional upon obtaining agreement with the EU, or on the Irish border.

An agreement with the EU is desirable but not essential.

True and noted about the border however you can’t just ‘leave’ with no trade deals in place of any sort - we all need to buy and sell things, it’s interesting now the Germans et al aren’t knocking our door down as the leavers promised us they would, the same for the promised 300 million and so it goes on.

Personally I don;t see an issue with the current trading agreement with their EU and border agreements. I seem to remember from the last thousand times I came back into the UK from the outside world you needed a bloody good reason to come here and live off the state - there are hard and fixed rules re benefits for example.

Anyway, personally all i hear is fighting between everyone who could have done no better - if Corbyn had been at the helm we’d be moaning about him, the same for Johnson or whoever.

She’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.

Interesting Johnson is allowed to change his mind re policy if he feels the need yet feels it’s wrong to let us change our minds (either way) now we have some more of the ‘true’ facts of Brexit.

[captain_cynic]

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

[HoHoHo]

Tyre Smoke said:

I wanted control of our borders and the right to self determination.

I thought we had control of our borders and the fact we are an island makes life a lot easier than France to Germany for example.

Try getting in if you’re not an EU citizen without a visa, not easy if not impossible. If you’re an EU citizen try claiming benefits once you’re here - you can’t do that easily and if you are an EU citizen and come here to work, good luck to you.

I do agree about silly EU laws that seem to be created for the sake of pissing people off!

[mikal83]

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

Have you been to Greece recently?

[Ron Maiden]

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

The doom laden cynics are highly active today. Any actual irrefutable proof of that?.

[HoHoHo]

mikal83 said:

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

Have you been to Greece recently?

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

[don'tbesilly]

gizlaroc said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

I think something people tend to forget when talking about the Irish Border is the fact that most people really couldn't care less about it.

I know that is not meant to be said, but I have yet to speak to anyone that has that issue anywhere but the bottom of their list of concerns, with the exception of those over there.

It was interesting watching 'Peston' last night, and the revelation in regards interest / coverage and the resultant statistics found in the media about the Irish Border prior to the referendum.

Of 2000 articles examined the Irish Border was mentioned 4 times apparently, so it was a massive concern.......................not.

[Mothersruin]

don'tbesilly said:

gizlaroc said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

I think something people tend to forget when talking about the Irish Border is the fact that most people really couldn't care less about it.

I know that is not meant to be said, but I have yet to speak to anyone that has that issue anywhere but the bottom of their list of concerns, with the exception of those over there.

It was interesting watching 'Peston' last night, and the revelation in regards interest / coverage and the resultant statistics found in the media about the Irish Border prior to the referendum.

Of 2000 articles examined the Irish Border was mentioned 4 times apparently, so it was a massive concern.......................not.

It's almost as if it's being used for some reason...

[SpeckledJim]

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

Yeah, look around the UK at all the smart money and people flooding out.

Wait. That's not happening at all. A mystery?

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

It was interesting watching 'Peston' last night, and the revelation in regards interest / coverage and the resultant statistics found in the media about the Irish Border prior to the referendum.

Of 2000 articles examined the Irish Border was mentioned 4 times apparently, so it was a massive concern.......................not.

I would guess Gib was mentioned more than the Irish Border............next problem in the wings waiting to be weaponised?

[amusingduck]

pgh said:

captain_cynic said:

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

Given you think it's going to be that bad, what steps have you been taking to guard yourself and family? Please help a fellow forum member to prepare.

1. Posting hyperbolic guff on PistonHeads

It's the only step required. Works like a sort of anti-Jinx

[kayc]

HoHoHo said:

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

Me too..went to Corfu..it looked like Beirut..i wish the remainers would got to these countries and see how at grass level how fukked they are instead of listening to the bks spread by politicians..every Greek person I spoke to was jealous that we had a referendum..i also go to the Balearics 5 times a year..they want a vote too..im not sure why that is when the EU is utopia.
Just to add..went to one of the most highly regarded restaruants in Corfu town..8 people..didn't book..it was half empty..gave waiter 800 Euros for the bill in cash..it looked like he'd won the lottery! same quality restaurant in London would be a 3 month waiting list!

Edited by kayc on Thursday 18th October 11:27

[p1stonhead]

kayc said:

HoHoHo said:

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

Me too..went to Corfu..it looked like Beirut..i wish the remainers would got to these countries and see how at grass level how fukked they are instead of listening to the bks spread by politicians..every Greek person I spoke to was jealous that we had a referendum..i also go to the Balearics 5 times a year..they want a vote too..im not sure why that is when the EU is utopia.

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

[saaby93]

loafer123 said:

saaby93 said:

Whats the problem with a couple of months if it leads to a better deal?

There is a point to more time for negotiations if what they need is time.

In this case, both sides understand the issues and both sides won’t give way. In the case of the U.K., even if they did give way, it wouldn’t get through Parliament.

Time is the last thing these talks need...they just need to decide.

Decide what?
The best solution still seems that Ireland should come out with us - what do they gain by staying in now theyre net contributors?