Theresa May

[Jockman]

pgh said:

Well that's disappointing, I was hoping for lots of frivolous purchase suggestions - chainsaw, field medic kit, portable solar panels, bear trap...

It would still be prudent to stock up on these items.

I’m buying paracetamol like there’s no tomorrow.

[wc98]

pgh said:

Well that's disappointing, I was hoping for lots of frivolous purchase suggestions - chainsaw, field medic kit, portable solar panels, bear trap...

jeez man, those are the basic essentials you should have purchased months ago ! you have no chance of getting them all now

[B'stard Child]

p1stonhead said:

kayc said:

HoHoHo said:

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

Me too..went to Corfu..it looked like Beirut..i wish the remainers would got to these countries and see how at grass level how fukked they are instead of listening to the bks spread by politicians..every Greek person I spoke to was jealous that we had a referendum..i also go to the Balearics 5 times a year..they want a vote too..im not sure why that is when the EU is utopia.

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

2% ??

[kayc]

p1stonhead said:

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

I think it was 4%..and not a true reflection..a lot of remainer votes were for the status quo..which was false anyway but what they believed.It was a way harder decision to vote to leave as the majority of people who did knew it was going to be a difficult process..doesn't mean its wrong though..getting divorced or cutting a ste trade is also difficult but usually right.

[don'tbesilly]

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

[soupdragon1]

gizlaroc said:

HoHoHo said:

How can you simply want out now when you've got a complicated and sensitive issue such as the Irish border.

I think something people tend to forget when talking about the Irish Border is the fact that most people really couldn't care less about it.

I know that is not meant to be said, but I have yet to speak to anyone that has that issue anywhere but the bottom of their list of concerns, with the exception of those over there.

This is really the crux of it - despite it not mattering a hoot to the vast majority of the UK - part of the UK is tied to the EU by law, outside of the Brexit vote.

The initial vote for Brexit was for UK to leave the EU - despite the Good Friday agreement, involving United Kingdom, being very much underwritten with the assumption that we are always in the EU.

You could almost say it was like a vote to change how deep the sea should be. Do you vote for it to be (a) shallow or (b) deep?

Just because people voted one way or the other, doesn't mean you can actually deliver the majority vote. The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

[B'stard Child]

kayc said:

p1stonhead said:

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

I think it was 4%..and not a true reflection..a lot of remainer votes were for the status quo..which was false anyway but what they believed.It was a way harder decision to vote to leave as the majority of people who did knew it was going to be a difficult process..doesn't mean its wrong though..getting divorced or cutting a ste trade is also difficult but usually right.

Typical that the results are being smoothed (by some) to decrease the impact of the result 4% down to 2% tomorrow it will be a draw and because it was a draw we can just stay in the EU as there was no mandate for change

Bit like Labour claiming they won the last GE

[amusingduck]

soupdragon1 said:

The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

Leaving the EU is not "technically, not deliverable" by any stretch of the imagination

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

kayc said:

p1stonhead said:

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

I think it was 4%..and not a true reflection..a lot of remainer votes were for the status quo..which was false anyway but what they believed.It was a way harder decision to vote to leave as the majority of people who did knew it was going to be a difficult process..doesn't mean its wrong though..getting divorced or cutting a ste trade is also difficult but usually right.

Typical that the results are being smoothed (by some) to decrease the impact of the result 4% down to 2% tomorrow it will be a draw and because it was a draw we can just stay in the EU as there was no mandate for change

Bit like Labour claiming they won the last GE

What rounding down, the opposite of rounding up as when the Euro was introduced.

[soupdragon1]

saaby93 said:

loafer123 said:

saaby93 said:

Whats the problem with a couple of months if it leads to a better deal?

There is a point to more time for negotiations if what they need is time.

In this case, both sides understand the issues and both sides won’t give way. In the case of the U.K., even if they did give way, it wouldn’t get through Parliament.

Time is the last thing these talks need...they just need to decide.

Decide what?
The best solution still seems that Ireland should come out with us - what do they gain by staying in now theyre net contributors?

That would be a great solution but I don't think Ireland are up for that. The Irish economy is now one of the worlds strongest (6th or something I think?) so going along just fine as it is.

[B'stard Child]

amusingduck said:

soupdragon1 said:

The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

Leaving the EU is not "technically, not deliverable" by any stretch of the imagination

Ahhh but if it is then who can complain when we don't leave or the Government "BINO" the whole situation - it was impossible so this is the best we could do

It's all about managing expectations

[soupdragon1]

amusingduck said:

soupdragon1 said:

The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

Leaving the EU is not "technically, not deliverable" by any stretch of the imagination

I partly agree - but those technical issues are in the way right now, and need to be negotiated. When I say 'technically, not deliverable' its true in the sense that, from the start, its square peg/round hole and the leave vote is not deliverable without a fundamental change. The idea is to work solutions to those technical barriers to make the 'not deliverable' become 'deliverable'. Its possible to do that, but the starting point has always been 'not deliverable' within current status quo.

[p1stonhead]

soupdragon1 said:

amusingduck said:

soupdragon1 said:

The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

Leaving the EU is not "technically, not deliverable" by any stretch of the imagination

I partly agree - but those technical issues are in the way right now, and need to be negotiated. When I say 'technically, not deliverable' its true in the sense that, from the start, its square peg/round hole and the leave vote is not deliverable without a fundamental change. The idea is to work solutions to those technical barriers to make the 'not deliverable' become 'deliverable'. Its possible to do that, but the starting point has always been 'not deliverable' within current status quo.

No one knows what the UK's desired version of 'Leaving the EU' even is yet. No one agrees with TM's version. Yet hers is the only one on the table. Lots of sniping from the shadows with various other peoples options, but there is no agreement at all.

[mikal83]

HoHoHo said:

mikal83 said:

captain_cynic said:

kayc said:

m sure you can..loads of Eu created jobs waiting for you in Greece,Spain ,Italy..just take your pick..

Still going to be more jobs than in the UK after Brexit.

Hell, Greece is going to look good compared to the UK economy.

Have you been to Greece recently?

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

And yet you say that the UK will be looking like Greece after Brexit???

[BeastieBoy73]

kayc said:

HoHoHo said:

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

Me too..went to Corfu..it looked like Beirut..i wish the remainers would got to these countries and see how at grass level how fukked they are instead of listening to the bks spread by politicians..every Greek person I spoke to was jealous that we had a referendum..i also go to the Balearics 5 times a year..they want a vote too..im not sure why that is when the EU is utopia.
Just to add..went to one of the most highly regarded restaruants in Corfu town..8 people..didn't book..it was half empty..gave waiter 800 Euros for the bill in cash..it looked like he'd won the lottery! same quality restaurant in London would be a 3 month waiting list!

Edited by kayc on Thursday 18th October 11:27

I went to Germany to attend the classic car show in Essen last year. Stayed in Düsseldorf and being by myself and often found looking at a map whilst having a beer, I soon got chatting to the locals. One night was spent in the company of a group of uni students (mostly girls). They all said they wanted the chance to vote and would vote out. This surprised me as, given their age, I’d assumed they would have been ‘remainers’. The girls told me that due to Merkels immigration policy they no longer felt safe, particularly after attacks on women in nearby Cologne. Another night was spent with a bunch of 40-60 year old couples. Again, once they’d discovered I was from the U.K. the conversation soon came round to Brexit. They all said they’d vote to leave as they were sick of their cash being sent to prop up Greece, Italy, etc whilst seeing the German flag being burnt on TV. Obviously, I didn’t speak to everyone in Düsseldorf and the strength of feeling towards and against the EU would probably differ from region to region but not everyone living in the rest of Europe is pro EU.

[_Sorted_]

Extended transition period. Theresa May is playing a blinder, as this is the perfect deal construct for her. Kicks the can so far down the road you would need the Hubble telescope to find it. All goes to S off her watch. Nothing to see here, move along, the ermine beckons and we can rely on her bleating on about her good deal till our collective ears fall off.

She would be out of her depth in a paddling pool. A Prime Minister whose specialist subject is self-preservation and sod everyone including the best interests of her own party.

Edited by _Sorted_ on Thursday 18th October 12:50

[amusingduck]

soupdragon1 said:

amusingduck said:

soupdragon1 said:

The British people have voted for something that is technically, not deliverable.

Leaving the EU is not "technically, not deliverable" by any stretch of the imagination

I partly agree - but those technical issues are in the way right now, and need to be negotiated. When I say 'technically, not deliverable' its true in the sense that, from the start, its square peg/round hole and the leave vote is not deliverable without a fundamental change. The idea is to work solutions to those technical barriers to make the 'not deliverable' become 'deliverable'. Its possible to do that, but the starting point has always been 'not deliverable' within current status quo.

The technical issues relate to how we'd prefer to leave the EU, not leaving the EU in and of itself.

Leaving the EU is wholly deliverable. It's the default option. If no action is taken from this point forward, leaving the EU will be delivered automatically next March.

[Tyre Smoke]

May is doomed (hopefully) whatever she does. She has painted herself into a corner and can't get out. She votoed Remain, she pays lip service to the 'Brexit mans Brexit' but her Chequers plan is not even a soft Brexit, it's Remain in all but name. Nobody likes it, except her.

I'd be interested to see the result of a poll (irrespective of which way you voted) asking the question "Are you happy for us to leave the EU with no deal and negotiate afterwards?" I reckon the rsult would be a resounding "yes". The longer this drags on, the less credibility TM has, and the knives are being sharpened.

[Jockman]

B'stard Child said:

p1stonhead said:

kayc said:

HoHoHo said:

I went for a summer holiday this year and the area we went to was either shut or derelict and looked like people had simply gone and left everything as it was some years ago - all very sad really.

Me too..went to Corfu..it looked like Beirut..i wish the remainers would got to these countries and see how at grass level how fukked they are instead of listening to the bks spread by politicians..every Greek person I spoke to was jealous that we had a referendum..i also go to the Balearics 5 times a year..they want a vote too..im not sure why that is when the EU is utopia.

If they had a vote would it be within 2% like ours was? There isnt a huge majority remember.

2% ??

I think the swing would have to be 2% on Jon Snow’s Swingometer.

Always tickled me.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45897253


The UK's transition out of the EU could be extended by "a matter of months" to ensure there is no visible border in Northern Ireland, Theresa May has said.

The prime minister said this was a new idea that had emerged in negotiations and was not expected to be used.

Oh really .....