Discussion
Helicopter123 said:
The more I read of the deal, it seems she has given up everything short of moving the crown jewels to Paris.
Not sure this is really part of a cunning plan?
If she has a plan it's pretty well hidden.Not sure this is really part of a cunning plan?
My only idea that makes her look like she knows what she is doing is that she is angling for a second ref in the hope remain win with a large majority.
I can't see that, I reckon she is just useless and has been comprehensively outplayed by the EU, with the caveat that her party are a shower of s
t on this matter so she her first failing is her inability to marshal her own troops.
desolate said:
If she has a plan it's pretty well hidden.
My only idea that makes her look like she knows what she is doing is that she is angling for a second ref in the hope remain win with a large majority.
I can't see that, I reckon she is just useless and has been comprehensively outplayed by the EU, with the caveat that her party are a shower of st on this matter so she her first failing is her inability to marshal her own troops.
But surely there must have been some thought of a plan other than 'it be alright on the night'? I mean, she must read the papers, see the news, speak to people who keep updated with opinion? Just how can something be misjudged so badly?My only idea that makes her look like she knows what she is doing is that she is angling for a second ref in the hope remain win with a large majority.
I can't see that, I reckon she is just useless and has been comprehensively outplayed by the EU, with the caveat that her party are a shower of s
t on this matter so she her first failing is her inability to marshal her own troops.I am beginning to suspect that this is all part of a cunning plan for us not to leave. This is how it goes,
Mays plan is rejected by the House of commons,
A second referendum is called for and we vote the 'right way' and stay after all.
Surely there is no point adopting Mays plan, as it is staying in the EU but with no control of anything!!???? So in effect we are worse off??
Mays plan is rejected by the House of commons,
A second referendum is called for and we vote the 'right way' and stay after all.
Surely there is no point adopting Mays plan, as it is staying in the EU but with no control of anything!!???? So in effect we are worse off??
number 46 said:
I am beginning to suspect that this is all part of a cunning plan for us not to leave. This is how it goes,
Mays plan is rejected by the House of commons,
A second referendum is called for and we vote the 'right way' and stay after all.
Surely there is no point adopting Mays plan, as it is staying in the EU but with no control of anything!!???? So in effect we are worse off??
Or it gets voted down, we crash out with no deal, it all goes to sh!t, May gets to say 'told you so', resigns and retires on a big fat pension.Mays plan is rejected by the House of commons,
A second referendum is called for and we vote the 'right way' and stay after all.
Surely there is no point adopting Mays plan, as it is staying in the EU but with no control of anything!!???? So in effect we are worse off??
Terrible performance at PMQ's today - I also wish she was pulled up on the "as a independent coastal country the UK will negotiate on behalf of the UK on access to the fishing grounds" - she said it twice so can only assume it was not miss-spoken. As a independent coastal state it will be the UK who decides who else has access.
Every time I hear the "respect vote but protect economy and jobs" line I know the first bit is a lie. The vote was in-spite of the risk to jobs and the economy, we had a £9,000,000 leaflet explaining this.
Every time I hear the "respect vote but protect economy and jobs" line I know the first bit is a lie. The vote was in-spite of the risk to jobs and the economy, we had a £9,000,000 leaflet explaining this.
It's difficult to really conclude there is a plan, when all the evidence points to tin-eared incompetence coupled with self-interest within the Cabinet.
The latest theory doing the rounds is that Ministers won't resign if they think Parliament will vote the deal down because they think they need to be in the room to deal with the fall-out from that. These people need to stand up for their principles first, not rely on Parliament to do it for them.
I think another referendum is a complete non-starter as a plan for anything, because it relies on EU cooperation, but also because it relies on the 'idiots' not voting the same way again. No one should be pegging anything of value off such a shaky premise.
If the plan was no-deal but blame the EU for the outcome, there'd be better prep for that outcome and Cabinet will be rejecting this deal rather than putting it before Parliament.
No one thinks May wants a General Election.
No, it's just incompetence.
The latest theory doing the rounds is that Ministers won't resign if they think Parliament will vote the deal down because they think they need to be in the room to deal with the fall-out from that. These people need to stand up for their principles first, not rely on Parliament to do it for them.
I think another referendum is a complete non-starter as a plan for anything, because it relies on EU cooperation, but also because it relies on the 'idiots' not voting the same way again. No one should be pegging anything of value off such a shaky premise.
If the plan was no-deal but blame the EU for the outcome, there'd be better prep for that outcome and Cabinet will be rejecting this deal rather than putting it before Parliament.
No one thinks May wants a General Election.
No, it's just incompetence.
Jinx said:
Terrible performance at PMQ's today - I also wish she was pulled up on the "as a independent coastal country the UK will negotiate on behalf of the UK on access to the fishing grounds" - she said it twice so can only assume it was not miss-spoken. As a independent coastal state it will be the UK who decides who else has access.
Every time I hear the "respect vote but protect economy and jobs" line I know the first bit is a lie. The vote was in-spite of the risk to jobs and the economy, we had a £9,000,000 leaflet explaining this.
I picked that up too and I'm just a stupid leave voter. We'll be an independent coastal country, but we'll choose to give away fishing rights as we do now and have no practical power to change that position.Every time I hear the "respect vote but protect economy and jobs" line I know the first bit is a lie. The vote was in-spite of the risk to jobs and the economy, we had a £9,000,000 leaflet explaining this.
In her position I would have resigned out of embarrassment rather than turn up and trot out those lies today.
No one could have done better.
She is facing negotiating against a combination of countries all wanting different things, and certainly the advantage.
On her side she has half a party, while the other half are back butting, bickering and generally being a right royal pain. There should also be an opposition, but they seem to have fixated on anti-senatksm and forgotten about Brexit. Don’t fool yourself that they would have been any different.
Put it in the business context. This sort of thing would be negotiated in private.behidn closed doors. Executives who did not agree would not go to the press, but would talk it through and would either agree, Shutup or move on..
It was always going to be a clusterfk of giant proportions.
She is facing negotiating against a combination of countries all wanting different things, and certainly the advantage.
On her side she has half a party, while the other half are back butting, bickering and generally being a right royal pain. There should also be an opposition, but they seem to have fixated on anti-senatksm and forgotten about Brexit. Don’t fool yourself that they would have been any different.
Put it in the business context. This sort of thing would be negotiated in private.behidn closed doors. Executives who did not agree would not go to the press, but would talk it through and would either agree, Shutup or move on..
It was always going to be a clusterf
k of giant proportions.surveyor said:
No one could have done better.
Almost anyone could have done it better.She lost her majority in the election everyone gets that, but we didn't need to end up with this dog's dinner.
Try and negotiate a decent deal and if it doesn't succeed go for no deal, or fresh elections, or simply ask to withdraw the A50 notification. Choose something don't just keep on ploughing ahead, a malfunctioning Maybot, blindly trying to achieve an impossible objective. Change course and accept the consequences, don't sell out the country and then pretend everything is OK.
SmoothCriminal said:
Once and remainer always a remainer.
She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
When did the labour party support remain?She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
Strong Liberals is where it's at. At least they can speak with voice
Is there more than one of them?
saaby93 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Once and remainer always a remainer.
She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
When did the labour party support remain?She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
Strong Liberals is where it's at. At least they can speak with voice
Is there more than one of them?
Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell at the helm.................
Not a chance whilst they've got Momentum and their policies pushing the party so far left it's almost doing a u-turn.
saaby93 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Once and remainer always a remainer.
She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
When did the labour party support remain?She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
Well except that devious f
ker Corbyn - pretty sure he voted leave 
Helicopter123 said:
But surely there must have been some thought of a plan other than 'it be alright on the night'? I mean, she must read the papers, see the news, speak to people who keep updated with opinion? Just how can something be misjudged so badly?
I really have no idea.I am just trying to come up with a reason for this car crash that seems to be occurring.
saaby93 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Once and remainer always a remainer.
She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
When did the labour party support remain?She has planned this all along.
Tories are finished if this gets through.
Lets see if the eu saves all you remainers with the labour party in charge.
Strong Liberals is where it's at. At least they can speak with voice
Is there more than one of them?
Their shadow brexit secretary recently said brexit can be reversed.
Remainers in all but name just like May
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