Theresa May

[Sway]

SpeckledJim said:

I don't have an understanding of the scale of asset/problem the Euro clearing is. But it seems that as-yet, it's not a card that has been played. Is it too aggressive for this stage?

It's top aggressive for pretty much any stage prior to declaring war!

Shutting down the entire economy of the majority of a continent isn't perhaps the first option you'd reach for...

It is however, just one of the reasons why everyone was suddenly very sanguine about not asking for FS as part of the FTA. Simply because irrespective, the work will still be done in London.

[ben5575]

powerstroke said:

Lots of shouting in the background , oh well if you pay lip service to democracy !!! you would think the poll tax riots were reasonably fresh in the tory mind ... best start to look after the police a bit better

Or it could be the environmental protestors that glued themselves to the gates... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46213...

[citizensm1th]

Anyone have Mays phone number i have a paddle to sell her.

[MartG]

powerstroke said:

surveyor said:

The referendum was bks. No party and no negotiator can deliver what they promised. That's why none of the campaigners are in the picture.

The Brexiteers need to understand this before moaning that this is not what they voted for.

We can then move on to what can be delivered - bearing in mind the EU is not going to just 'fold' and say have the furniture...

how did we ever manage before we joined the EEC ??

Badly

[surveyor]

amusingduck said:

surveyor said:

Jinx said:

AppleJuice said:

Option 1 | Drafted deal
Option 2 | No deal
Option 3 | No Brexit

I'd vote for No Deal followed by No Brexit - Brino is the worst of both worlds. She's duplicitous almost to the level of Blair - says one thing and then does the opposite. No one in good conscience can vote for this ever-lasting vassalage status. This is not "respecting the referendum" and this is not the best deal for the UK.

The referendum was bks. No party and no negotiator can deliver what they promised. That's why none of the campaigners are in the picture.

The Brexiteers need to understand this before moaning that this is not what they voted for.

We can then move on to what can be delivered - bearing in mind the EU is not going to just 'fold' and say have the furniture...

Did you miss the first 5 words of his post?

It's like you're responding to the post you wished he'd written, rather than the post he actually wrote.

More the last few words that I was responding to.

[Jinx]

Cobnapint said:

Anybody fancy a read....?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/files/draft-agreem...

Always a fun read when you pick up stuff from the EU
Nice little hint at the long term nature of Brino - "At the request of the United Kingdom, made at the earliest after 31December 2028, the Union shall make an estimate of the remaining amounts to be paid by the United Kingdom under this Article, on the basis of a rule taking into account the amount of outstanding commitments at the end of the year and an estimate of any decommitments on those outstanding commitments, any financial corrections and any proceeds from the infringement procedures after the end of the year. "
(my bold) From Article 140 "outstanding commitments".
So pay for 10 more years (depending on the commitments to be made in 2020) and then we can ask for an estimate on how much more is to pay......

[Einion Yrth]

MartG said:

powerstroke said:

surveyor said:

The referendum was bks. No party and no negotiator can deliver what they promised. That's why none of the campaigners are in the picture.

The Brexiteers need to understand this before moaning that this is not what they voted for.

We can then move on to what can be delivered - bearing in mind the EU is not going to just 'fold' and say have the furniture...

how did we ever manage before we joined the EEC ??

Badly

"Before" covers a rather longer period than you are considering.

[powerstroke]

MartG said:

Badly

Yep the last 40 years out of a few thousand have been a breeze we achieved so much our impact on the rest of humanity during our membership,,, before that diddley squat ..

[Jinx]

surveyor said:

More the last few words that I was responding to.

And the last few was saying this is not the best deal for the UK (which in context of the whole comment put staying in as a better deal).

[Cobnapint]

Jinx said:

Always a fun read when you pick up stuff from the EU
Nice little hint at the long term nature of Brino - "At the request of the United Kingdom, made at the earliest after 31December 2028, the Union shall make an estimate of the remaining amounts to be paid by the United Kingdom under this Article, on the basis of a rule taking into account the amount of outstanding commitments at the end of the year and an estimate of any decommitments on those outstanding commitments, any financial corrections and any proceeds from the infringement procedures after the end of the year. "
(my bold) From Article 140 "outstanding commitments".
So pay for 10 more years (depending on the commitments to be made in 2020) and then we can ask for an estimate on how much more is to pay......

Surely a typo

[p1stonhead]

Cobnapint said:

Jinx said:

Always a fun read when you pick up stuff from the EU
Nice little hint at the long term nature of Brino - "At the request of the United Kingdom, made at the earliest after 31December 2028, the Union shall make an estimate of the remaining amounts to be paid by the United Kingdom under this Article, on the basis of a rule taking into account the amount of outstanding commitments at the end of the year and an estimate of any decommitments on those outstanding commitments, any financial corrections and any proceeds from the infringement procedures after the end of the year. "
(my bold) From Article 140 "outstanding commitments".
So pay for 10 more years (depending on the commitments to be made in 2020) and then we can ask for an estimate on how much more is to pay......

Surely a typo

It’s taken two to write a plan about getting out.

You don’t think it’ll take ten to actually get out?

[Ian Geary]

powerstroke said:

MartG said:

Badly

Yep the last 40 years out of a few thousand have been a breeze we achieved so much our impact on the rest of humanity during our membership,,, before that diddley squat ..

But the UK can't just turn the clock back...(no-one can)

Post WW2 but pre EEC we had huge debt to the usa, lost the empire, and faced massive de industriaisation as consumers didn't want to pay first world wages for work that could be done in the developing world. Demographics weren't against us (as they are now) and economies weren't as interconnected as they are now.

Go back to the interwar period?

Back before ww1, with the 2 powers principle?

Thinking that the uk can re-create a golden age by the sheer power of our own entitlement is not helpful - it's as deluded as thinking the EU would just wave us goodbye with everything we wanted.

[rigga]

Cobnapint said:

Jinx said:

Always a fun read when you pick up stuff from the EU
Nice little hint at the long term nature of Brino - "At the request of the United Kingdom, made at the earliest after 31December 2028, the Union shall make an estimate of the remaining amounts to be paid by the United Kingdom under this Article, on the basis of a rule taking into account the amount of outstanding commitments at the end of the year and an estimate of any decommitments on those outstanding commitments, any financial corrections and any proceeds from the infringement procedures after the end of the year. "
(my bold) From Article 140 "outstanding commitments".
So pay for 10 more years (depending on the commitments to be made in 2020) and then we can ask for an estimate on how much more is to pay......

Surely a typo

You'd hope so .....but i doubt it.

[Vanden Saab]

No other trade agreements to be enacted during the transition period....

[mx5nut]

Einion Yrth said:

MartG said:

powerstroke said:

surveyor said:

The referendum was bks. No party and no negotiator can deliver what they promised. That's why none of the campaigners are in the picture.

The Brexiteers need to understand this before moaning that this is not what they voted for.

We can then move on to what can be delivered - bearing in mind the EU is not going to just 'fold' and say have the furniture...

how did we ever manage before we joined the EEC ??

Badly

"Before" covers a rather longer period than you are considering.

And the world has changed considerably since any of that happened. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.

[mx5nut]

Jinx said:

Cobnapint said:

Anybody fancy a read....?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/files/draft-agreem...

Always a fun read when you pick up stuff from the EU

Brilliant. Even when something is mutually negotiated between the British government and the EU, it's still the EU's fault

[Vanden Saab]

As if there is any doubt that the plan is to keep the transition period going indefinitely …..

Withdrawal agreement said:

for the period between 1 January 2021 and the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom shall: shall make a contribution to the Union budget, as determined in accordance with paragraph 3;

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

No other trade agreements to be enacted during the transition period....

That's nothing new.

Based on this agreement, it's pointless having an FTA's with ROW anyway, UK is tied into the EU indefinitely, including any future rules they create.

[BlackLabel]

[SpeckledJim]

jsf said:

Vanden Saab said:

No other trade agreements to be enacted during the transition period....

That's nothing new.

Based on this agreement, it's pointless having an FTA's with ROW anyway, UK is tied into the EU indefinitely, including any future rules they create.

Can’t believe this isn’t the ‘bad deal’ of Brexit lore.