Discussion
VonSenger said:
We also do a lot of work in canary wharf, last week I learned of issues regarding euro clearing and passporting. We fought tooth and nail to allow us to clear euros on behalf of Europe even though we don't use the currency, now? No chance. But hey, it's only a few thousand jobs. Moron.
You still fitting condom and tampax machines then mate? Nice to see you get the Canary Wharf contract.
Im all seriousness though.
There are a lot of people round here, in Norfolk, who simply can't relate or feel sorry for the financial institutions.
Many of the jobs are now farmed out to contractors who bring in teams of people from Europe who live 6 in a 4 bed house while here.
That is the only way the farmers can get the crops into the supermarket for the price we are willing to pay for it.
Same with a mate with care homes, he has 96 staff, of which only half a dozen or so are British. Many are youngsters from Spain and Italy etc. they come here for a year or two and again work for some beer money.
They are fine on £8.50 an hour, but a young girl with a regular mortgage can't earn that.
I'm not saying job losses are not a concern, of course they are, but if you are in an area here wages have been kept at their lowest because someone else will come in and do it for basic rate you can't blame them for not caring if the financial institutions don't make as many billions this year or if GDP is down a couple of points.
Many think that over a few years we may see those on the lowest wages see an increase, we may have to pay a bit more for our food etc. but it could see the rich poor divide close a little by doing so.
hyphen said:
On the subject of the letters, what's to stop the bloke getting them just denying he has got 48??
From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
Do they go via the whips office? Maybe the safe is stuffed with no con letters but haven't been handed to Sir Graham...yet?From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
jsf said:
What do you think the transition period is for?
It allows plenty of time to transition whatever they want rather than being faced with having the legs cut from under them by a hard deal done against a tight timetable they cant deal with.
It adds nothing for the UK side, just makes our bargaining power weaker. May doesnt get that though because all she is thinking is to minimise desruption.
She is thick as mince.
Your profile states you are a race car engineer. Is it your team? Are you therefore looking to see how future or existing contracts may need to be amended, staff being able to travel and reside completely unemcumbered. How you fund exchange rate issues. Etc etc. Hopefully you will not be disrupted but someone in your organisation should be taking some cognisance off potential impacts. It allows plenty of time to transition whatever they want rather than being faced with having the legs cut from under them by a hard deal done against a tight timetable they cant deal with.
It adds nothing for the UK side, just makes our bargaining power weaker. May doesnt get that though because all she is thinking is to minimise desruption.
She is thick as mince.
I doubt she is as thick as you think. Certainly way less than those that say let’s just get on with it. In fact a couple of CS contacts state she’s a nasty piece of work but quite smart.
gizlaroc said:
VonSenger said:
We also do a lot of work in canary wharf, last week I learned of issues regarding euro clearing and passporting. We fought tooth and nail to allow us to clear euros on behalf of Europe even though we don't use the currency, now? No chance. But hey, it's only a few thousand jobs. Moron.
You still fitting condom and tampax machines then mate? Nice to see you get the Canary Wharf contract.
Im all seriousness though.
There are a lot of people round here, in Norfolk, who simply can't relate or feel sorry for the financial institutions.
Many of the jobs are now farmed out to contractors who bring in teams of people from Europe who live 6 in a 4 bed house while here.
That is the only way the farmers can get the crops into the supermarket for the price we are willing to pay for it.
Same with a mate with care homes, he has 96 staff, of which only half a dozen or so are British. Many are youngsters from Spain and Italy etc. they come here for a year or two and again work for some beer money.
They are fine on £8.50 an hour, but a young girl with a regular mortgage can't earn that.
I'm not saying job losses are not a concern, of course they are, but if you are in an area here wages have been kept at their lowest because someone else will come in and do it for basic rate you can't blame them for not caring if the financial institutions don't make as many billions this year or if GDP is down a couple of points.
Many think that over a few years we may see those on the lowest wages see an increase, we may have to pay a bit more for our food etc. but it could see the rich poor divide close a little by doing so.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
hyphen said:
On the subject of the letters, what's to stop the bloke getting them just denying he has got 48??
From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
A very good and valid point. He has also declared he will not discuss the numbers, so hence why some have made it public?From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
It would hardly be ground breaking news that the rules are been "changed"
Nickgnome said:
gizlaroc said:
VonSenger said:
We also do a lot of work in canary wharf, last week I learned of issues regarding euro clearing and passporting. We fought tooth and nail to allow us to clear euros on behalf of Europe even though we don't use the currency, now? No chance. But hey, it's only a few thousand jobs. Moron.
You still fitting condom and tampax machines then mate? Nice to see you get the Canary Wharf contract.
Im all seriousness though.
There are a lot of people round here, in Norfolk, who simply can't relate or feel sorry for the financial institutions.
Many of the jobs are now farmed out to contractors who bring in teams of people from Europe who live 6 in a 4 bed house while here.
That is the only way the farmers can get the crops into the supermarket for the price we are willing to pay for it.
Same with a mate with care homes, he has 96 staff, of which only half a dozen or so are British. Many are youngsters from Spain and Italy etc. they come here for a year or two and again work for some beer money.
They are fine on £8.50 an hour, but a young girl with a regular mortgage can't earn that.
I'm not saying job losses are not a concern, of course they are, but if you are in an area here wages have been kept at their lowest because someone else will come in and do it for basic rate you can't blame them for not caring if the financial institutions don't make as many billions this year or if GDP is down a couple of points.
Many think that over a few years we may see those on the lowest wages see an increase, we may have to pay a bit more for our food etc. but it could see the rich poor divide close a little by doing so.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
Nath911t said:
hyphen said:
On the subject of the letters, what's to stop the bloke getting them just denying he has got 48??
From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
A very good and valid point. He has also declared he will not discuss the numbers, so hence why some have made it public?From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
It would hardly be ground breaking news that the rules are been "changed"
mx5nut said:
Brexiters pretend they are the ones to lead the country and strong-arm the EU.
Meanwhile in reality, they can't manage to organise even 48 people to write a letter supporting them.
Piss up and brewery comes to mind.
Good point, well made.Meanwhile in reality, they can't manage to organise even 48 people to write a letter supporting them.
Piss up and brewery comes to mind.
The ERG may get to 48 in the end but they are far from a well marshalled unit it seems.
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
If you're skint relocating isn't all that easy, especially if you have kids. Sure you may be lucky enough to get a job that pays well enough to allow you to go on your own and for your family to follow on when funds allow and school places are sorted, but to make out it is really easy isn't very fair. If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
But I think your purposefully missed the point, as usual, tellingr those that feel trapped between a job that pays peanuts and not being able to afford to move to somewhere better, how much the banks and finance institutions profits may suffer is one of the reasons Brexit happened in the first place.
They really couldn't give a f
k. Raygun said:
Nickgnome said:
gizlaroc said:
VonSenger said:
We also do a lot of work in canary wharf, last week I learned of issues regarding euro clearing and passporting. We fought tooth and nail to allow us to clear euros on behalf of Europe even though we don't use the currency, now? No chance. But hey, it's only a few thousand jobs. Moron.
You still fitting condom and tampax machines then mate? Nice to see you get the Canary Wharf contract.
Im all seriousness though.
There are a lot of people round here, in Norfolk, who simply can't relate or feel sorry for the financial institutions.
Many of the jobs are now farmed out to contractors who bring in teams of people from Europe who live 6 in a 4 bed house while here.
That is the only way the farmers can get the crops into the supermarket for the price we are willing to pay for it.
Same with a mate with care homes, he has 96 staff, of which only half a dozen or so are British. Many are youngsters from Spain and Italy etc. they come here for a year or two and again work for some beer money.
They are fine on £8.50 an hour, but a young girl with a regular mortgage can't earn that.
I'm not saying job losses are not a concern, of course they are, but if you are in an area here wages have been kept at their lowest because someone else will come in and do it for basic rate you can't blame them for not caring if the financial institutions don't make as many billions this year or if GDP is down a couple of points.
Many think that over a few years we may see those on the lowest wages see an increase, we may have to pay a bit more for our food etc. but it could see the rich poor divide close a little by doing so.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
Why should I look on a Glaswegian any differently to a Catalonian? Not dissimilar distance I suspect to where my company is located.
I accept we have lost but unfortunately some have to pick up the pieces and cannot just say to others it’s easy sort it out.
What is your plan please?
Nickgnome said:
Nath911t said:
hyphen said:
On the subject of the letters, what's to stop the bloke getting them just denying he has got 48??
From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
A very good and valid point. He has also declared he will not discuss the numbers, so hence why some have made it public?From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
It would hardly be ground breaking news that the rules are been "changed"
And wasn't Vaz a chairman of a committe too
I think there is no justifiable reason not to make the process more transparent.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th November 20:38
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
I’m trying to visualise a brain drain from Norfolk.If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
Frank7 said:
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
I’m trying to visualise a brain drain from Norfolk.If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
gizlaroc said:
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
If you're skint relocating isn't all that easy, especially if you have kids. Sure you may be lucky enough to get a job that pays well enough to allow you to go on your own and for your family to follow on when funds allow and school places are sorted, but to make out it is really easy isn't very fair. If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
But I think your purposefully missed the point, as usual, tellingr those that feel trapped between a job that pays peanuts and not being able to afford to move to somewhere better, how much the banks and finance institutions profits may suffer is one of the reasons Brexit happened in the first place.
They really couldn't give a f
k. I do not accept that having no money precludes moving. The feeling trapped thing is difficult but in a mindset. I speak from personal experience and did just that many many years ago for a period of 18months with family over 250 miles away. I have subsequently met many who work remotely from their families. It’s not ideal but sadly sometimes necessary.
I reiterate there is a lack of will amongst too many which has allowed those jobs to be filled by immigrants.
Stopping FoM will not help.
gooner1 said:
Frank7 said:
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
I’m trying to visualise a brain drain from Norfolk.If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
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