Discussion
hyphen said:
Nickgnome said:
Nath911t said:
hyphen said:
On the subject of the letters, what's to stop the bloke getting them just denying he has got 48??
From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
A very good and valid point. He has also declared he will not discuss the numbers, so hence why some have made it public?From what Ive read, many MPs don't disclose they have sent, and they all go to just the one guy. And there is no trail as can't be posed or emailed, has to be by hand.
Seems a strange way to do it!
It would hardly be ground breaking news that the rules are been "changed"
And wasn't Vaz a chairman of a committe too
I think there is no justifiable reason not to make the process more transparent.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th November 20:38
gooner1 said:
Frank7 said:
Nickgnome said:
There is no excuse for anyone to be unemployed. One has no right to a job next door or even in the same town. In fact I think it was that vile Tory Norman Tebbit t who suggested people should get on their bikes. He was right however in one regard we have become a society of rights without responsibilities.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
I’m trying to visualise a brain drain from Norfolk.If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
Nickgnome said:
Raygun said:
Nickgnome said:
gizlaroc said:
VonSenger said:
We also do a lot of work in canary wharf, last week I learned of issues regarding euro clearing and passporting. We fought tooth and nail to allow us to clear euros on behalf of Europe even though we don't use the currency, now? No chance. But hey, it's only a few thousand jobs. Moron.
You still fitting condom and tampax machines then mate? Nice to see you get the Canary Wharf contract.
Im all seriousness though.
There are a lot of people round here, in Norfolk, who simply can't relate or feel sorry for the financial institutions.
Many of the jobs are now farmed out to contractors who bring in teams of people from Europe who live 6 in a 4 bed house while here.
That is the only way the farmers can get the crops into the supermarket for the price we are willing to pay for it.
Same with a mate with care homes, he has 96 staff, of which only half a dozen or so are British. Many are youngsters from Spain and Italy etc. they come here for a year or two and again work for some beer money.
They are fine on £8.50 an hour, but a young girl with a regular mortgage can't earn that.
I'm not saying job losses are not a concern, of course they are, but if you are in an area here wages have been kept at their lowest because someone else will come in and do it for basic rate you can't blame them for not caring if the financial institutions don't make as many billions this year or if GDP is down a couple of points.
Many think that over a few years we may see those on the lowest wages see an increase, we may have to pay a bit more for our food etc. but it could see the rich poor divide close a little by doing so.
If you want to stop FoM how about we stop it internally as well? That will ensure there is no brain drain from Norfolk for instance.
Why should I look on a Glaswegian any differently to a Catalonian? Not dissimilar distance I suspect to where my company is located.
I accept we have lost but unfortunately some have to pick up the pieces and cannot just say to others it’s easy sort it out.
What is your plan please?
It was alright for the lower paid to lose any chance of improving their salaries for years on end and now the Remainers come on here whining their jobs are in peril but you don't want to worry because if you lose your job Farmer Giles will give you a start at £7.83 an hour picking spuds.
davepoth said:
DUP have broken the confidence and supply arrangement, and are abstaining on a lot of votes on the finance bill. They mean business.
Shoot in the foot time?if this deal doesnt work then it reverts to the full Brexit with a customs border between NI and Eire
Turkeys and Christmas
Nickgnome said:
Unfortunatly those very banks keep the finance system working. As it happens they are not as profitable as they once were.
I do not accept that having no money precludes moving. The feeling trapped thing is difficult but in a mindset. I speak from personal experience and did just that many many years ago for a period of 18months with family over 250 miles away. I have subsequently met many who work remotely from their families. It’s not ideal but sadly sometimes necessary.
I reiterate there is a lack of will amongst too many which has allowed those jobs to be filled by immigrants.
Stopping FoM will not help.
There are those in every city, every county, every country who simply don't think like that. I do not accept that having no money precludes moving. The feeling trapped thing is difficult but in a mindset. I speak from personal experience and did just that many many years ago for a period of 18months with family over 250 miles away. I have subsequently met many who work remotely from their families. It’s not ideal but sadly sometimes necessary.
I reiterate there is a lack of will amongst too many which has allowed those jobs to be filled by immigrants.
Stopping FoM will not help.
Tell Londoners living in a block of flats in Tower Hamlets to simply move their family to Derbyshire where they could do the same job, pay 1/4 of the rent or mortgage, have far less travel and be far better off to move and they look at you like an idiot.
It is the same for those living in Norfolk, Suffolk, Wiltshire, Yorkshire, Cumberland, Perthshire....tack your pick. No matter where you are you will have people who hardly ever leave the place they were born...for anything. They are not going to get up and move.
Now, the argument is not whether they should or not, I am simply saying that telling them that GDP will be down or the banks are worried about their profits and thinking they will care is f
king pointless. saaby93 said:
Shoot in the foot time?
if this deal doesnt work then it reverts to the full Brexit with a customs border between NI and Eire
Turkeys and Christmas
Not necessarily. There are a lot of different things that could happen as a result of the DUP withdrawing support - all the way from the deal going through to there being no Brexit at all. if this deal doesnt work then it reverts to the full Brexit with a customs border between NI and Eire
Turkeys and Christmas
Even if the net result is a no-deal Brexit that still doesn't mean there will be a hard customs border on the island of Ireland.
The UK is not obligated to institute customs controls by anyone, and the only way that it could conceivably be enforced through the WTO is by a state challenging the UK under MFN rules due to discrimination, in that goods from Ireland are treated better than goods from the rest of the world - and that is open to debate since it's not the origin of the goods that would be directly causing the difference in treatment.
In addition, such a dispute would take many years to progress through the WTO, by which time the "technology based solution" would be in place.
davepoth said:
Not necessarily. There are a lot of different things that could happen as a result of the DUP withdrawing support - all the way from the deal going through to there being no Brexit at all.
Even if the net result is a no-deal Brexit that still doesn't mean there will be a hard customs border on the island of Ireland.
The UK is not obligated to institute customs controls by anyone,.
It may not be obligated but there could be all sorts of transfer of goods to avoid different tax regimesEven if the net result is a no-deal Brexit that still doesn't mean there will be a hard customs border on the island of Ireland.
The UK is not obligated to institute customs controls by anyone,.
Meanwhile the EU border post would be just the other side
gizlaroc said:
Nickgnome said:
Unfortunatly those very banks keep the finance system working. As it happens they are not as profitable as they once were.
I do not accept that having no money precludes moving. The feeling trapped thing is difficult but in a mindset. I speak from personal experience and did just that many many years ago for a period of 18months with family over 250 miles away. I have subsequently met many who work remotely from their families. It’s not ideal but sadly sometimes necessary.
I reiterate there is a lack of will amongst too many which has allowed those jobs to be filled by immigrants.
Stopping FoM will not help.
There are those in every city, every county, every country who simply don't think like that. I do not accept that having no money precludes moving. The feeling trapped thing is difficult but in a mindset. I speak from personal experience and did just that many many years ago for a period of 18months with family over 250 miles away. I have subsequently met many who work remotely from their families. It’s not ideal but sadly sometimes necessary.
I reiterate there is a lack of will amongst too many which has allowed those jobs to be filled by immigrants.
Stopping FoM will not help.
Tell Londoners living in a block of flats in Tower Hamlets to simply move their family to Derbyshire where they could do the same job, pay 1/4 of the rent or mortgage, have far less travel and be far better off to move and they look at you like an idiot.
It is the same for those living in Norfolk, Suffolk, Wiltshire, Yorkshire, Cumberland, Perthshire....tack your pick. No matter where you are you will have people who hardly ever leave the place they were born...for anything. They are not going to get up and move.
Now, the argument is not whether they should or not, I am simply saying that telling them that GDP will be down or the banks are worried about their profits and thinking they will care is f
king pointless. The decision now is not over the damage that has already been done to the economy and our GDP but how we mitigate future damage.
Cobnapint said:
VonSenger said:
As usual, all waffle from deluded brexiters. No substance on what we'll actually get in terms of benefit, just hyperbole, sound bites and deluded visions of a long gone era of world dominance and grandeur.
Give it a rest. We're fked, you were sold a pup, and now we're all suffering. Are you actually aware of what no deal means to every facet of our economy and daily life?
Here's a real world, tangible loss to the UK I hope the deluded amongst us will grasp. My company won an extension on a piece of work from the European Space Agency. We made offers to 9 new staff members to operate out of Portsmouth. ESA pulled the work before it begun hitting us with a revenue dent of £1.5m per annum. 9 people weren't employed and the work is now conducted by a French company in Toulouse.
Wake up and get real, it's 2018 not the 1600's.
Hang on, let me guess what the retort will be, "we'll build our own space programme" LMAO!!
Fair enough. But hasn't it ever crossed your mind that it might be actually better to just get the hell away from an organisation that behaves like this. One that's prepared to treat a life long member and close partner who's paid billions into their coffers over the years.Give it a rest. We're f
ked, you were sold a pup, and now we're all suffering. Are you actually aware of what no deal means to every facet of our economy and daily life?Here's a real world, tangible loss to the UK I hope the deluded amongst us will grasp. My company won an extension on a piece of work from the European Space Agency. We made offers to 9 new staff members to operate out of Portsmouth. ESA pulled the work before it begun hitting us with a revenue dent of £1.5m per annum. 9 people weren't employed and the work is now conducted by a French company in Toulouse.
Wake up and get real, it's 2018 not the 1600's.
Hang on, let me guess what the retort will be, "we'll build our own space programme" LMAO!!
One that helped liberate them on more than one occasion. Short memories.
Nickgnome said:
And there in lies the rub. That is why we have a parliamentary democracy. Our MPs should never have abdicated their responsibility to the populous who can’t make rational unprejudiced decisions.
They do already, in order to put them in the position where they can make rational and unprejudiced decisions... Sorry. Almost had me there.
Every single main party has had promises for referendums relating to the EU within their manifestos.
Typically, they were "in the event of a new Treaty" type promises - which the electorate saw through as not representing their interests, hence the rise of UKIP.
Since then, the vast majority of those rational, unprejudiced, MPs have voted at every single opportunity in a way to support the electorate's will to have a vote and to see that vote seen through.
saaby93 said:
It may not be obligated but there could be all sorts of transfer of goods to avoid different tax regimes
Meanwhile the EU border post would be just the other side
Removing the barrier doesn't stop the tax being collected; interestingly, some of the UK's no deal preparation includes periodic accounting of import VAT anyway, which goes a long way to removing hold-ups at a border.Meanwhile the EU border post would be just the other side
As to the border post on the EU's side, that's their problem. However, I recall they've said they are going to uphold the Good Friday Agreement which would stop them from putting in a border post, so they'd be in a tricky spot...
Raygun said:
What's your plan is more important as your the one spouting the world's gonna end now we're leaving the EU.
It was alright for the lower paid to lose any chance of improving their salaries for years on end and now the Remainers come on here whining their jobs are in peril but you don't want to worry because if you lose your job Farmer Giles will give you a start at £7.83 an hour picking spuds.
Did I? Please quote where I said that. Jobs in peril? What are you talking about? I have never been afraid of competition for my job. That’s not how rational people think. It was alright for the lower paid to lose any chance of improving their salaries for years on end and now the Remainers come on here whining their jobs are in peril but you don't want to worry because if you lose your job Farmer Giles will give you a start at £7.83 an hour picking spuds.
If you think that stopping FoM will have any major impact on wages you are sadly mistaken. Consumers will demand cheap imported products instead. In fact it’s many Brexiteers who are lauding the possibility of cheap food imports from the USA, NZ etc. So your position contradicts some on your side.
Reduced growth percentages means less tax which feed through to reduced services and allowances. Unless of course you increase tax and you should well know where that leads.
If you want to increase your income that is entirely within your control. Do not blame others if you are not where you think you should be.
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